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Dodgers - Cheating Scandal

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by lnchan, Jun 4, 2021.

  1. Dutchrudder!

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    Funny thing about that 2018 year, the Red Sox had Mookie Betts hit .346 during that run, and they won a world series with it. He never made it over .300 once in his career to date, besides that one year they cheated and won a ring. His OBP was .438, which was significantly higher than any other point in his career, which he never went over .400 again. JD Martinez had an amazing year in 2018 with his best BA and OBP as well. It may be just lucky, but the jumps are pretty significant.
     
  2. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    Jerome Solomon on Chron today...
    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/te...s-sign-stealing-dodgers-red-sox-17797169.php?

    Dodgers manager Dave Roberts told reporters at spring training that his team cheated the right way and thus has never been punished.

    "All the things that went down, punishments and all that stuff, MLB did a great job of being thorough,” Roberts said. “That's not my job to be the judge and jury."

    Well, no, typically, the defendant cannot be the judge and jury.

    Roberts was so smooth with his “within the rules,” tale that his nose didn’t even grow.

    Much of the focus has been on the Astros, Dodgers, Red Sox and Yankees. These just happen to be the teams that were winning the most games during the electronic sign-stealing period
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  3. AKdaDawg

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    Lol how do you cheat the "right way". Cheating is wrong any which way you look at it, Dumbass Roberts!
     
  4. marks0223

    marks0223 2017 and 2022 World Series Champions
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    The "right way" is to not have a former disgruntled player rat you out and also have everyone else say the minimal amount of info about what was really going on so you can always point to the Astros as the REAL cheaters.
     
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    Cheating the right way is NOT banging a gong for all the world to hear. It was so laughably dumb that there's no way that Luhnow was involved with it.
     
  6. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    Should have at least gotten Garmin watches.
     
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    The whole team was a 108 win juggernaught with a general core that didn't win more than 93 games in any other year.

    Interesting.
     
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  8. Buck Turgidson

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    It was so laughably dumb that there was no way Luhnow didn't know about it.

    Hinch beat the hell out of the tv monitors on at least one occasion...the players just replaced them.

    McKinsey knew exactly what was going on...it just didn't matter to him until they got caught.
     
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    It actually wasn’t dumb. No one could foresee Fiers being a snitch
     
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    Doesn't matter MLB/Media got what they wanted, Luhnow run out of MLB.

    Everybody else is back in MLB. It really bothers me that the 2 people most responsible for the scandal (Hinch/Cora) got their jobs back with no repercussions.

    BTW, you dont know for certain what Luhnow knew of didn't know. I'm just happy Luhnow built this team in a way that can allow them to become a dynasty.
     
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  11. jjsmooth

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    There have now been lots of snitches, but only one team where the evidence is available for all to hear.

    If the Dodgers were cheating to relay signs to the batter in 2017 WS, how were they relaying the signs? I didn't see Joc Pedersen looking askew in that video breakdown of his at bat. So did he have a buzzer?
     
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    I mean.... all three got the same 1 yr suspension, right? We can certainly wonder why Luhnow hasn't gotten another job, while Cora and Hinch and even Beltran have. Whatever the reason, it's probably not favorable for Luhnow. And Luhnow is still my all-time favorite GM of any sport
     
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    This. The trash cans were notoriously dumb. It makes me curious of the clubhouse dynamics. Were there really guys who didn't like it but who felt they couldn't push back, as I remember reading back in 2020?
     
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    2017 Home/Road
    Split
    W L RS RA W-L%
    Home 48 33 395 327 .593
    Road 53 28 501 373 .600

    We were terrible at cheating if we only had the info at home.
     
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  15. jjsmooth

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    2017 Jake Marisnick faints...

    I was also gonna point to Marwin's crazy outlier season in 2017, but his much better road split in 2017 actually agrees with you.
     
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    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    Actually... he was not exactly the model teammate even before that...
     
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  17. lnchan

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    It seems it was essentially Hinch, McCann, Altuve, Reddick on one side with Cora, Beltran, Correa, and Bregman on this issue. Keep in mind this was only Correa's 3rd season and Bregman's 2nd... and Hinch was not a touted manager hire in 2015 considering his flame out in Arizona.

    ...and the only one in which there was manifestation of differences bleeding to other areas was Hinch and Cora.
     
  18. raining threes

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    I believe we know the answer.
     
  19. Buck Turgidson

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    So what's Justin Turner doing these days?
     
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    How was he a bad teammate until.....
     

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