ESPN's Jonathan Givony would cut KPJ, says Rockets locker room/culture is bad

'It's better to be infamous than never be famous at all'

 

lol i guarantee players *on the team* saying we're a mess were Eric Gordon while he was on the team or KjM and his dad trying to get him out or John Wall before the buy out.

An undisclosed member of the Houston Rockets says "we're just not having fun."

"It looks like trunks are locked and tops are falling off down in Houston" *wink wink* *cough don't go to Houston Wemby COUGH* demand a trade to LA cough*

 

Aside from his character issues, KPJ is simply not that special as a basketball player to worth such an investment. He has some talent, but plenty of NBA guards can do what he does. If you are willing to shell out MLE type money, it's not that hard to get one. So if Stone thinks he can somehow ride KPJ's success to look like a genius, he is just not a very good talent evaluator.

 

Nah. He was okay with the National media saying the on the court product is bad right now. I don't think he is fine now the national media is basically saying the whole Rockets organization is a **** show.

 

What reports other than one reporter who doesn’t mention specifics and used the phrase “like we are a mess.” That’s not even a direct quote and sounds subjective. Reporters take what they can get and create stories and stir up people’s emotions. There has literally been no reporting on the Rockets’ “bad culture”. Windhorst made opinionated statements on the team’s directions saying “the team is out of control”. Based on what? Again subjectivity versus reality. If there was dysfunction then where is the reporting on this except for these two seemingly subjective comments?

 

I can't blame people being upset... the Rockets just wasted 2 top 3 picks and are still tanking as a result, but that's not KPJ's fault.

Hopefully the Rockets don't waste their pick this time around and they start to turn things around.

 

Please direct me to where in the original post it says KPJ should be cut because of his actual play.

 

I literally had people contact me saying he was a fraud - I have no clue if he is or isn't.

DD

 

Of course I trust Clutch - but he hasn't said anything about this topic that is actionable to cutting KPJ, IMHO.

Today Roosh said, he was told by a player that "KPJ would lose his **** if he were not the starting PG" - but you can say that about hundreds of NBA players no one likes being demoted - that isn't enough to make me want to cut him.

BTW - this is why we need a strong disciplinarian as a coach to find out - if KPJ can take it, can Jabari, can Green - we need to find out before we pay these kids.

If however, KPJ is missing practice, or slapping teamates, or yelling all the time at coaches etc.....that is different.

The one thing that NOOK said, and I can't verify it is that he was yelling and disprespectful to arena employees......if that is true - that is something I would hold against him - but I can't verify it, and a guy saying it on a message board is not enough, sorry - when most people here, myself included have an agenda and a bias for or against KPJ - and through that bias talk about things that make their side look better.

Think of this like a "Court of Law" there is literally ZERO evidence........now if you believe where there is smoke there is fire - that might be.....but I would like to see that fire.

So, here is what I am looking for - since the apology for leaving incident - what has KPJ done to be considered a malcontent - don't show me crap from Cleveland or USC....what is he currently doing......because I believe he has changed - but if not....want to know.

DD

 

Nook is one of the best posters on this board.

You are not.

You are just a volume shooter, with plenty of turnovers and fouls.

Maybe that's why you worship KPJ so much.

 

We were already dead last when kpj got injured while playing for us as pg and the season before that at pg. He's one of the big reason why we are dead last. He's a guard who can't play pg or control an offense.

I think there are two groups in the "anti kpj pg" group. One that simply wants him to b a sixth man or put into a different position to succeed bc him at pg hinders the development ot everybody else. The other group do not like him in general whether it's his past transgressions or his inability to play pg and just want to rid of him and his "cancerous" personality.

 

No, the morons who want him cut are blaming him for other players sucking, saying that KPJ is causing locker room problems with vague insinuations or citing things that happened years ago.

Now if the Rockets hadn't wasted their last 2 top 3 picks on players who came in and were awful, no one would be saying any of this because the team would be on the rise instead of still tanking, but it is what it is.

 

What cancerous personality exactly?

DD

 

Oh man, Givony got these KPJ stans shook

Ya'll down bad huh?

 

No, it's just stupid saying to cut the best guard on the team or to blame them for Jalen Green and Jabari Smith being awful.

That said, go for it, cut KPJ. Jabari Smith and Jalen Green will still suck and you'll just have to pick a different scapegoat.

I'm a fan of the franchise, not any individual player, so cut them all and start from scratch if you want. There's no franchise quality player on the roster which is why we're still in tanking mode.

 

There aren't leaders and followers anymore like teams of old. It's just a bunch of zeta males who want to do their own thing. Only respect can bring them together as a group.

Silas is a good dude, but letting players go over his head is a sign of his lack of ability to command respect. Throwing his staff under the buss and taking no accountability shows his complete lack of leadership and actions like that display to me not a bad guy, just a guy in a wrong situation. He is a follower who has been asked to lead and he is unable to. It was our mistake to hire him for an ill fitted position. He is a great assistant and will shine in that role again, but this team takes drastic turns and culture change when new respectable leadership replaces him.

It starts and ends with Silas. KPj was just an extension of him.

That's why today's players want former player's as their head coaches now.

 

I can't believe any of y'all have attachments to players on a team this bad beyond Sengun, Green and Eason. KPJ is a dime-a-dozen talent with a godawful attitude. There's a reason Cleveland gave up on him. Nobody should with baggage like him should have staying power when the team is this terrible.

 

I'm surprised at how offended people are by this. At this point what's left to defend? kpj puts up numbers so people want to defend him or think he has value. bones hylan and Emmanuel quickly would be putting up the same numbers if they were given the opportunity kpj has. he's an ok player given a great role on the worst team in nba history and if he's part of the culture issue and we have to get rid of him with nothing in return I can guarantee we won't/can't get any worse.

 

Nope. Not the Rockets, indeed. Not the Spurs either. Not the Pistons. Not the Hornets. Not the Magic. Not the Pacers. Not the Wizards. Not the Raptors. Not the Thunder. Not even the Lakers. Come to think of it. The only competent teams that would bring them off the bench are some of the very top teams.

Or you just can't accept that you soon have to follow KPj to Shanghai. You're in the 1st of the 5 stages of grief.

 

It's pretty stupid to think that I'd follow any of the players if they left the Rockets for one reason or another....but I guess that's pretty on brand for GARM banter.

As to Jalen and Jabari, those scrubs would catch the bench on any competently run team....or the threat of that would be enough to make them try harder and MAYBE not suck so much. Only teams with absolutely no accountability whatsoever would continue starting players that ridiculously bad overall.