Zach Lowe Pod - which of the 4 teams Hou/Spurs/Pistons or Hornets have brightest future

I think if you want to put a microscope to it, Green has improved some individual skills slightly, but the point is that his overall impact on the game, on winning, has not improved to any significant extent. And that is concerning because how little he impacted the game (positively) to begin with. It is clear to any objective observer who understands basketball.

 

Ok I just listened to the whole thing. He didn't say there was no type of improvement from Green. He said there wasn't any improvement in defense and decision making. Those 2 things specifically which is absolutely true.

 

Yeah you seem to confuse usage/frequency with progress.

Sure he's "improved "as the P&R ball handler with Sengun but only because the Rockets didn't run those sets last year (and IIRC they barely played together).

He's definitely doing a lot of things "more" because he's handling the ball more and because Wood isn't hoovering up possessions (and KPJ has mercifully been out a lot). He's not really doing them better.

Like getting to the rim more is great!

Too bad he's doing it even less as a percentage of his attempts and even worse, he's only shooting 62% on such shots -> this is objectively bad/almost Tari Eason level (60%) and worse than last year (68%).

You probably knew that though!

I actually don't give to much of a **** about the stats, contrary to what you have said, i loved Jalen Green last year and was laughing my ass off when **** birds like bobbydaclown and CXbaby got clowned repeatedly post ASB.

As a consequence I watched a **** ton of Rockets this year and didn't really start to tap out until the January - Feb doldrums set in.

But i can honestly say watching Jalen and the team overall is a far more traumatizing and demoralizing experience than any shot chart ot table from bbreference or podcast. Like the Philly and OKC games last week - absolute **** from the whole team. Not even fun for one second. With the exception of Darius Days - he's a star in the making.

Honestly that's way more upsetting to me! So when you post "well actually guys, rookie Bradley Beal...." It's not because i don't watch the games that makes me annoyed - it's because i did and watched Jalen Green absolutely suck most nights and show outright regression from, say, last March v. Memphis to the vast majority of games this year.

 

Ever not once have I ever seen you actually analyze the game of basketball such as specific play types of what specifically Green is doing. Same with posters like ATW. Zero actual analysis of games. Zero breakdown of actual plays. You just throw around ts% and even then you cannot utilize basic context.

No, I doubt you watch many games. Making claims that he hasn't improved his handle is a clear indication of that. You won't accept possibilities like advanced stats can help if you have floor spacers like Wood who left he team from last year. Not once have you mentioned anything about the deceased in spacing compared to last year's offense. None of these observations you have picked up. You are a box score watcher.

 

Interesting tidbit from the end of the pod: Givony said that 2024 is gonna be the worst draft in over 20 years. We picked a good year to be stupid lol.

 

Why do you need me to tell you this?

I'm not an expert. You don't need my frame by frame breakdown. Like I've said many times - to you - before, to me it looks like he holds/stops the ball too long, dribbles the shot clock down too much, and then ends up taking high degree of difficulty shots that he misses... a lot.

I guess if you want me to call out specific plays where this happens i can. I have league pass.

But the fact that the actual experts who do do breakdowns say the same thing should tell you something!

 

I heard this but this smacks of draft industrial complex guru overthink.

"This is the worst group of 16-17 year olds I've ever seen" makes me want to know how good Givony was at pulling out NBA stars from 16-17 year olds in, say, 2012.

 

The thing he was saying was that he was watching these kids since they were 14 and at 17 years old they're all just doing the same things just a bit taller. It's not that they're especially bad but none of them are getting significantly better like you would expect from top level talent.