Not really. all have confounding factors. Those stats are more relevant when you compare it to players on the same team with similar usage. So yes Alpi definitely is more consistently productive than Green. But it's a flawed star when you compare it to completely different context. To many confounding factors Swap 20 year old Beal into this offense and ask him to score like Green at 60% unassisted fgm rate unlike being eased in with a pg like Wall next to him where the vast majority of his buckets were spoon fed.
ha, ok then. Conversation over I suppose. Guess we'll just wait and see whose eye test was right then, since there's nothing left to be said if we're going to ignore advanced stats as meaningful.
It isn't as if the context on this team has been to Sengun's benefit though. He started the year on the bench, and the team played away from his strengths for most of the year (and it took injuries for them to even try playing to his strengths). And Sengun was second in vorp among 19 year olds last year too btw (Giddey was first last year, and is second behind Sengun this year).
maj is on my ignore list and i could tell @chenjy9 was talking about him despite not seeing the quote, so it is quite a good description. @maj21 definitely dislikes Sengun beyond some reasonable level, and unlike many others he seems to dislike Sengun rather than SOFs. Over disliking is worse than over liking in my opinion. hakeem is also on my ignore list but not because of his spamming the forum.
I continue to marvel your lack of reading comprehension. I find your behavior and posts amusing, so why would I put you on ignore?
The eye test tells us Sengun is contributing more to winning now than Green. Your advanced stats with Green and Sengun also agree. They are experiencing the same confounding factors and therefore those differences show something. And it shows that Sengun is more developed than Green. It doesn't say anything about potential or the context of how Sengun is more polished now etc. And comparing VORP and winshares in two completely different contexts between two players playing in different teams in different seasons is unproductive. We can look at game tape, how they score in certain situations like off the dribble etc but VORP and winshares are meaningless across different teams in difft seasons. Beal, Booker, Lavine would not be doing the same things on the Rockets as they currently are compared to their respective teams when they were Green's age. Green especially when KPJ is out is asked to have the same usage and defensive attention centered around him as John Wall in his prime. He wasn't the Beal to John Wall in terms of usage and defensive attention. He is John Wall or trying to fill that role while playing around a bunch of other 20 year old developing players. Someone like Shai at age 24 on this team would automatically have the most amount years played in the NBA out of the Rockets regular rotation. That's insane. Sorry, you can't be lazy and just resort to winshares and VORP and say "argument over". You have to actually put in the work to analyze their games and be junky about this stuff. Kinda have to he a loser and really waste a lot of time watching other players outside the Rockets. I'm confident that Green is on another level of talent compared to Beal and Lavine.
Funny you think I fully read your paragraphs. You get your feelings hurt, I’m the type of person that doesn’t give a damn. Talking like you’re all that. I bet you live in east austin, in the dumps lol
I don't trust your judgement enough a toy don't condemn posters like @hakeem94. Also you not being a Rocket fan until Sengun doesn't help your case over someone who was.
I don't think this is true. We can most certainly compare win shares and vorp between, say, Jokic and Doncic and Embiid, etc. Context matters too. The offball vs onball thing, that is important, I agree. But you can compare different situations. And good players , like Sengun and Giddey, show that even as situations and roles change, have a more consistent impact on winning than you seem to believe here. And Green is contributing to his usage being what it is. His shot selection is part of why he isn't getting more off ball looks. When he drives into a crowd and throws it up or takes a contested pull up three rather than passing it and moving without the ball, he himself is part of the driving force creating that bad context.
Josh Giddey is second this year, and his TS% is 53%, which is the same as Green this year. Giddey was actually first last year in vorp when his TS was 48 -- but what it says is that a lot more goes into vorp than just ts%.
Funny how some of you think putting me on ignore is gonna hurt my feelings. I also hope you put the people that trash Jalen, KPJ, and Jabari on ignore as well. Doubt you will, since none of them are your hero like Alperen Sengun
wait, you think Green is BETTER than Beal and LaVine trajectory? Ooh, hard disagree there. Can you give me your argument for that, because I am not seeing it whatsoever.
Nah, they just reinforce your confirmation bias. You pick the advanced stat that meets your narrative and make it your be all and end all, because it says exactly what you want it to. That's not how critical thinking works I'm afraid.
He drives into a crowd because our paint area is ALWAYS congested like rush hour traffic in Houston and a large reason for that is Sengun. Seeing as opposing defenses simply ignore him when he is the pnr screener for Green when he hovers around the perimeter shows how Sengun is a floor shrinker and not a floor stretcher. Compare that to the OKC offense we just saw where they go 5 out and players like Giddey consistently just have to beat a single person at the rim to score.
Green drives into a crowd when Sengun is off the floor too though man. He just does that. He has low basketball IQ and takes bad shots every night, regardless of who he plays with.
Sengun is a floor shrinker... And so is Garuba, Bruno, or whoever is on this team. So no Sengun isn't the ONLY reason we have one of the if not the most congested paint in the league. He's a reason.
