Yes, **** Sengun bc I can’t stand his fans. Crazy how this got you all emotional. Why not put me on ignore? That way you won’t have to suffer anymore
Just as an FYI this does make you a hater, in the context of basketball fandom or whatever you want to call this. It doesn't mean you personally hate the guy, I don't think any fans personally hate players unless its a Karl Malone situation or something. For example, I think Russell Westbrook is a fantastic person, he's a good father and a good husband and he does a lot of great charity work. Great guy, great person, nothing personal against him. But on the court I think he's a bum, I was furious when the rockets traded for him, and I think he hurts every team he's on. That means I'm a hater. Again, don't have anything personal against him, but I do not want him on my team and think any team he's on is doomed to fail. He's the basketball grim reaper. In basketball terms that's a hater. I am a Westbrook hater, and that's fine, I wear it proudly. When people call you a Sengun hater, it's accurate. You want him traded, you think this team is better off without him, you think keeping him here and prioritizing him is a mistake, and will hurt the team. That makes you a hater, that's what people mean when they say it.
When has a troll ever been shamed into changing their behavior? Your last sentence makes sense in most contexts, but not when addressing trolls. If everybody ignored him, he would get no responses to his trolling and would go away.
I disagree man. Saying I’m a hater is saying my takes are only bc I hate him, which isn’t true. I’m not a believer and that’s different. Hate is personal imo. I give him credit for the things does well I’m my eyes
for those curious btw, just looked it up and Green is 18th among 20 year olds. Which, if we do decide to trade one of the two in order to put a better defense around Harden, why we would choose to keep Green instead of Sengun is really strange imo.
If that’s how you view it, then I’m a Sengun hater. I just like to see as not a believer, since hate is a strong and personal word
The argument would be Sengun is closer to his celing(multiple pro year experience before the NBA) and Green having higher highs where if his lows become just mid, he would be a more prolific player than Sengun. Completely reasoable to think that Green has a higher ceiling. His highs in terms of dominance of taking over games are higher than Sengun's. His lows are due to playing AAU style ball his entire life. Now, it's obviously a risk as not every NBA player shores up their bad habits from AAU style ball but if Green does, most think his ceiling is higher. Segun I guess is a larger certainty. So it really depends on your risk tolerance of who you prefer.
If Green becomes a consistent 3 point shooter he will be a good match with Harden. If he doesn’t then they will not play well together. We are in great need of 3 pt shooters. Hopefully Green and Jabari get the sh*t together next year.
If Green is getting doubled when Sengun is the screen setter on pnr possessions then Harden for damn sure is going to be doubled. I guess Harden is a much better passer out of a double so that helps. But Sengun and Harden also don't pair well together. Stretch bigs and roll men are Harden's favorite bigs. Ryan Andersons and Capellas of the world.
If you didn’t hate him you wouldn’t go around saying the things you do then try to rationalize it. Like I said, I’m not emotional by your posts but I also ain’t fooled. Like I’ve also said, your posts and how you immediately get so defensive amuse me so why would I put you on ignore? It’s funny how you lash out in arguments while trying to preach maturity.
I disagree with that argument. I think people were just wrong about Green's ceiling, and that it is lower than people thought -- and that most rockets fans were wrong about Sengun's ceiling, and that it is higher than people thought.
And yet one of those players has 4/5 games scored under 15 points, the other has 4/5 scored over. I'll let you figure out which is which.
I just have debates with people that I don’t agree with. I feel very strongly about it all. Why not put me on ignore? Save yourself the trouble man
I mean, even with Jalen being given the keys to the team, he's super inefficient. He scored more points than Sengun, but advanced stats like VORP say my eye test that he helps the team win more than Jalen does is correct. Jalen, statistically, is actually looking really bad compared to previous shooting guards he is compared to, like Lavine, Beal, and Booker. He is not on their trajectory at all. He's looking more like a Clarkson than them.
This coulfn't be further from the truth. Beal was as inefficient(yes even after ap0plying effective ts%) for example with way less volume(scaling up is going to decrease efficiency) and a EXTREMELY different shot profile(34 vs 60% unassisted rate). Lavine also similar efficiency, way less volume with no where being gameplan for and being the defensive center of attention. Booker and Green are similar though. Booker at this stage being a more consistent shooter but Green being the more explosive dribble drive player.
No, I'm sorry, but you're incorrect. Compare Jalen's vorp in the 20 year old season of all of Beal, Booker and Lavine. They are all positive vorp players, while Jalen is a negative one.
Oh yes, because vorp is the be all and end all of basketball? The funniest thing is that you're deadass serious too...
It isn't be all and end all, but it is a good stat. So, your eye test is telling you one thing, my eye test is telling me another thing. That's what is great about advanced stats like vorp, win share, etc -- they give some indication of whose eye test is more accurate.
