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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. basso

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    many people have been saying...
     
  2. basso

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  3. Space Ghost

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    Why fight one when you can fight two.

     
  4. basso

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    The Ukraine War's Prelude to What?

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/02/23/the_ukraine_wars_prelude_to_what_148897.html

    excerpt:

    The Ukraine mess is daily looking more like the Spanish Civil War of 1936 to 1939, a meat grinder that took 500,000 lives. That three-year conflict became a savage proxy war and prelude for the belligerents of World War II.

    The Ukraine battlefield is proving to be a similar laboratory of death. New lethal weaponry and tactics are introduced, modified -- and always improved -- from drones to guided missiles to internet-fed artillery.

    Likewise, a similar pre-global war lineup of the eventual adversaries is emerging in preview of a much larger, much scarier war to come.
    more at the link
     
  6. JuanValdez

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    I feel like putting sanctions on China for supplying Russia would probably be a bad idea. Sure we don't like it, but a trade war will make the Ukraine effort harder, and it makes a simultaneous open conflict with China more likely.
     
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    China = Nazi Germany in this scenario.
     
  8. No Worries

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    WTF. We are currently in a Trade War That Is Easy To Win™ with China.
     
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  9. No Worries

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    So why is the US concerned with not escalating the Russia Ukraine War, when Russia is clearly unconcerned.

    Biden should tell Putin that every Chinese suicide drone launched from Russia into Ukraine targeting Ukraine non-combatants will be meet with an asymmetrical response.
     
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  10. basso

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    what sort of asymmetrical response to do you recommend.
     
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    noooo. political leaders suck. humanity in 2023 should be over this crap.
     
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    US and NATO fighter jets. We seem to want to give them to Ukraine but are afraid of "escalating", whatever that means in this scenario. So tie it to Russian escalation: Chinese military found being used in Ukraine = Ukraine gets western jets.
     
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    We are already in a trade war, and I do not think we should escalate it; instead, we should remove the tariffs. However, sanctions do not necessarily mean a trade war. China has stated its neutrality in the conflict, and if they start sending weapons to Russia for the war in Ukraine, I believe the US and EU should take some concrete actions directly related to those weapons, preferably in the form of sanctions.
     
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    I assume you mean providing US/NATO jets to Ukraine (something we should have done six+ months ago), not flying sorties into Russia?
     
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    NAFO weather report: Crossing Muddy Waters:

     
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    Correct. And yes, we should have done it long ago but keep delaying or discussing it because of a fear of "escalating" which is nonsensical. So to get out of this cycle, tie it to Russian escalation and put it on them to make the decision.
     
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    A slow grind is in favor of Russia. Yes they don’t value lives and Ukraine can’t keep up, even if the ratio lost is in their favor. You could argue a slow grind could eventually lead to Putin losing credibility and control but his hooks are in deep and over the years he’s elementary any potential threat.

    It’s certainly a delicate balance but at the least providing extended range HIMARS seems like an obvious give. Planes would be great, and they can certainly start training on f16s on the down low now, but other NATO countries need to give them planes that they are familiar with now.
     
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    Great start already to the decade...can't imagine how it ends.
     
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    It's not non sense. The military is the one who recommended we slowly give weapons due to the ability of Ukrainians being able to train. People don't realize that fighting a war and reshaping your army is a difficult task. The military recommended that they train Ukraine slowly over time so they can learn logistics.

    Facts change on the ground. Remember when a UKR SAM went off accidentally and hit poland and Ukraine demanded NATO issue article 5. That turned off alot of folks in the administration politico reported and I don't blame them.

    People underestimate the task of dealing with a psycho like putin

    It ends with usa dominating the decade? We're finally onshoring critical manufacturing back for first time and we're finally building stuff back here?

    For the first time in decades we're finally making critical industry back in American. Battery manufacturing, medicines, chips, solar panels, etc. We're finally onshoring and making America great again...
     
  20. No Worries

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    Send a handful of cruise missiles at Russian forward military bases.
    Send some A-10s to soften up the Russian front lines in Ukraine.
    Sink Russian naval ships in Crimea (if any are still there).

    ETA:
    Blowup the Russia Crimea bridge, both rail and traffic.
     
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