Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, eliminating constitutional right to abortion

Certainly. That's a clear answer to a clear question I posed a long time ago.

 

Encouraging the responsible use of the sexual faculties and relaying the gravity of engaging in pro-creative acts before you are ready for the attendant responsibilities which may follow.

 

Well, I would say that a woman should be able to get an abortion until viability without it being a risk to the mother.

Last I had heard, over 90% of abortions are in the first trimester, and I believe that all of those should certainly be legal.

The real question is "late term abortions" and their legality.... they make up a very small percentage though.

Ectopic pregnancy abortions should ALWAYS be allowed, same when the fetus has severe birth defects.

Of course these are only my opinions, and personally don't think that men should have any say over the issue.......

I think that women should be the ones making the decisions, moral and otherwise.... they are the one's that can get pregnant, males are not.

 

Women know what happens when they have unprotected sex. Hence why they want free contraceptives.

 

There is no way to know whether the number of abortions will go down or not, because they will be done illegally. The only information we will have is women dying from botched abortion efforts and possibly self reporting.

 

It's not true yet. It takes some time to build a black market. Besides, women committed enough to an abortion to do it in the proverbial back alley still have access to the comparatively cheaper/easier option of flying to another state to get a legal abortion. If we have a nation-wide ban, or we prosecute for traveling interstate to get an abortion, that will be good fuel for the illegal abortion industry. But even so, Rome wasn't built in a day.

The consequences seem be generally fewer. And there are social consequences as well -- we're probably going to see a wave of child poverty, lower educational attainment, greater social stratification, more teen pregnancies, etc that will hit mostly red states in due time. I do agree with you that we should continue to try to minimize unwanted pregnancies. But its not a replacement for good abortion policy.

 

We already do this.

Further, human history has shown that it does not work to simply tell people to not engage in sex outside of a solid relationship.... it is as if there is a deep seeded bio-imperative to have sex. Preaching responsible sex with protection can surely help, but there are exceptions - and that is why we have had abortion as an option historically.

 

If people decide to use their sexual faculties irresponsibly then they should live with the attendant results.

In this case, you're either 1) going to have an unplanned pregnancy and child and deal with that or 2) you're going to have an abortion and deal with the associated trauma of that.

Both of those situations are very sad.

Not everyone falls into them though, to say it's unavoidable is just not true.

 

I think the point is that a woman making a mistake doesn't mean we should remove agency from that woman to rectify her mistake the way she feels is in her best interest.

You are making it sound like forced birth should be a punishment for consequences of having sex.

Yes she can love with the consequences of whatever decision SHE makes.

 

That's your opinion and spin on the situation.

 

Yes I know that's my opinion. Hence why I posted it

 

At a macro level it IS unavoidable.

There will ALWAYS be a number of unwanted pregnancies, no matter how much abstinence is pushed or preached.

People are flawed, especially younger people.

This idea that people should live with the "results", when results can be changed it silly.

You have a very antiquated view on the issue.

 

Should? I understand, as you go on to describe, that a woman will live with the results of her actions. But why do you use a moralizing word like "should"? Why should they?

 

Because terminating a pregnancy is wrong? Everyone agrees with this. The only thing they don't agree on is what week in a pregnancy it becomes wrong and those positions are specious.

Better yet, don't have an abortion at all, don't put yourself in that position.

 

I think you believe a woman should have their agency removed if she makes a mistake. Is that what you are claiming? You want to make it illegal as a form of punishment.

What punishment does the male get here (it takes two to make a baby) that's relatable to the physical pain and ptsd a forced birth causes?

 

You can spin or frame it however you'd like. I see what you're doing. I won't engage with it if you insist.

 

That fetus requires someone else for it to keep developing. How about this. Unless that fetus can successfully breathe outside another's body then it isn't viable. Up until then it is a parasite living off of a host.

 

I am pleased to have, "antiquated" views on human sexuality. I have caused no suffering and never put anyone in a position where they would have to make a terrible decision.

I'm not a superhuman. It does take some self-denial and discipline but it is humanly achievable.

Peoples persistent irresponsible use of their sexual faculties causes tremendous amounts of suffering.

Modern views on human sexuality have caused a tremendous amount of suffering. Take a look around. How many single moms do you see? There's a lot. It's tragic beyond measure.

 

I have a feeling you won't engage with that question because it's a tough question to answer isn't it?

Since we are discussing consensual sex shouldn't the man be equally as responsible as the woman?

More like modern views on sexuality have given women more power to do what they like while antiquated views treated them like cattle. Antiquated views were great for men though, women back in those days could do nothing if a man knocked her up except get called a w**** and raise a b*stard. Such great times for everyone.

 

I take you at your word, that you have never put a woman in a position to make a difficult decision.

Individuals are capable of self-denial and discipline, but not at the macro level.

As far as their being single mom's, yes there are a lot........ and now there will be even more.

What is worse than a single mom? A mom in an abusive relationship.