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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Commodore

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    it's not risky, half of Hollywood has made a pilgrimage there
     
  2. Commodore

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    Breaking in on the mud slinging for some real, relevant news:

     
  4. dobro1229

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    Since it's so safe why hasn't Trump been there? I thought he is actually the President of the United States right now anyways, and Biden is a deep fake actor???
     
  5. Nook

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    Okay.

    I disagree, I do think there was/is risk and I think it was foolish for him to go there.
     
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    But was it as risky as walking across a a paved line at the DMZ?
     
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  7. HTM

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    Why would we expect Trump to go to Ukraine? He’s a private citizen. He was a private citizen when Ukraine was invaded.

    Have you been to Ukraine?

    I don’t think Biden ran any risk.

    From what I read, the U.S. State Department let Russia know Biden was coming… that says a lot. To me it’s obvious Russia has absolutely no interest in killing Joe Biden.

    Though there is still a war going on and things happen.

    It was probably less dangerous then a President going to wartime Iraq or Afghanistan.
     
  8. dobro1229

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    Really... every time I watch FoxNews and Ukraine is talked about, someone on there talks about how "If Trump was allowed to negotiate with Russia" etc. etc. it would seem crazy that he wouldn't be going over there since Trump is this master superpowered negotiator who can turn water into wine. So according to the right, yeah... it would be surprising to anyone who takes FoxNews etc. seriously that Trump isn't involved in some capacity since he's "the chosen one" and the only person capable of achieving peace in Europe and the Middle East.... and in Asia... and south of the border.... and in Space... and in the Multiverse.... etc. etc.

    Long story short.... I'm joking. Of Course Trump wouldn't go there now. He's more likely to go see his handler Putin in Moscow for sure.
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    Was it safe or not for Biden to visit? I don't really care. He was doing his work, great. If he dies in the process, we have a back-up.

    I think we would see Washington do some hedging if a reporter at the time asked him, 'does that mean that if there is an important war in Europe 200 years from now we should still just stay out of it?'

    Sounds kinda ominous. But remember most of our nuclear non-proliferation agreements with Russia have been allowed to expire without renewal. So maybe it doesn't mean much and its just an opportunity for Putin to look tough.
     
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    train ride reminds me of one I took from Berlin to Hamburg in the mid-80s, before the wall came down.

     
  11. astros123

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    You and @Commodore are so full of **** and pathetic trolls. When the president goes ANYWHERE secret service sweeps the place for weapons and any other actors. Biden had no secret service protection other than a few agents and he was at the full mercy of the Ukrainian army. There's thousands of cheap suicide drones loitering around the country that could be in hands of Rogue actors.

    If you honestly think the president isn't in any danger in a war zone you're a effin moron and dumber than I thought you were. Good God.

    I'm sure Hollywood actors have same risk profile than the president does. @Commodore has to be the most pathetic troll I've ever seen

    You're telling me situation changes in the middle of a war? Holy crap bozo thanks for the new discovery! Do you have any real evidence there was no risk when the sirens went off?

    Of course you don't have ****. You're a low life troll
     
  12. Amiga

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    If he dies and it was because of Russia, there would be a significant risk of direct military conflict between the US and Russia. That is a risk of this whole ordeal. To said this is not risky is laughable. It was risky in multiple areas. It was risky to Biden, personally and to the US as well. But Biden decided it was worth all of that - that he wanted to send a message to the world on US support for Ukraine. It was both bold and risky. Many would traditionally view it as an act of strong leadership, but some of them now criticize it.


    It looks like this is Putin's response to Biden's visit and the US declaration that Russia has committed a crime against humanity. The good news is that while it's a step backward, there are indications that they won't break the limits and will continue to notify of any missile launch tests. It's a safer world in a world that became a bit less safe due to Putin's suspension of START.

     
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    Yikes. Last successfully tested was 1990 if I'm right?
     
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    Do you think it would have failed if Biden was not in Ukraine? What if he was in a different country? would it have worked?
     
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    I think Biden has balls and he's doing this the right way. He's slowly increasing the type of weapons so it doesn't rage the Russians but also he's been able to unite of NATO.

    Whatever USA has done has been with our allies. We provided tanks with UK/Germany. We provided artillery with Eastern European countries. We provided armored vehicles alongside Australia and Netherlands.

    Neocons are pissed that biden isn't giving more aid quick enough while lefties and MAGA are mad Biden is giving any aid at all.

    I really do think Biden is teaching a masterclass on how to deal with a modern warfare. From strategically declassifying battle plans to preparing sanctions months in advance Biden is doing everything as he should.
     
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    ‘Absolute victory over Russia isn’t possible’
    Trump's former advisor on the West's mistakes in Ukraine

    https://unherd.com/2023/02/absolute-victory-over-russia-isnt-possible/

    excerpt:

    Few people better understand the West’s fraught relationship with Russia than Fiona Hill. Born in Bishop Auckland, she went on to study History and Russian at St Andrews before a scholarship at Harvard took her to America. From there, Hill rose rapidly through the ranks to become one of the world’s foremost experts on Putin’s Russia, brought into the administrations of George W. Bush, Barack Obama and, finally, Donald Trump.

    Then, in 2019, she shot to international fame as the star witness in Trump’s first impeachment hearings, prompting the president to dismiss her as “a Deep State stiff with a nice accent”. Here, Hill gives her candid assessment of Trump’s redeeming features, the West’s historic missteps in Ukraine, and how the war might end.
    more at the link
     
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  20. astros123

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    You do realize everyone stopped reading after this part right? Who gives a crap what a treasonous snake administration has to say. All these losers are implicit in trump being a monster.
     

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