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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Space Ghost

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    Who has a price on his head outside of any other normal thread a world leader would face.

    Last thing Putin wants is a dead president of the most powerful army dying in his war. If anything, Putin would put his best security to ensure he had the best time of his life.

    In other words, it's just dumb to hail Biden as some time of maverick for walking into a war zone in which everyone on all sides are terrified of him dying.
     
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    Are you mentally slow? If kamala would escalate the war on behalf of America if she was president then wouldn't it be in best interest for a Ukrainian to take him out? This is life or death for them.There's tons of rogue actors in the UKR military. There was a huge price on his head.

    If biden dies that's not bad for ukraine. The media would blame Russia and it would bring America more into the war. It's a win win for ukraine and biden would be a martyr in ukraine.

    also the risk isn't it coming from the official Russian military. There's tons of javelin that Russia captured. Biden wasn't traveling in his typical protected vehicle. He couldn't been taken out by a rogue citizen or anything.
     
  3. Space Ghost

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    let me get this straight. You're suggesting assasinating your ally is a sound strategy? o_O

    The only person who wants Harris as president is Harris. And maybe @FranchiseBlade
     
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    Again I'm not stating it's the official policy of the Ukrainian government. I'm saying there's hundreds of thousands of rogue actors and you can't control what every Ukrainian thinks. Obviously zelensky wouldn't call a hit in biden but there's tons of rogue actors at play.

    There was no usa military presence and there was no air cover for the president. The bottom line is it was risky as hell. There were alot of bad actors in play who had incentive to harm biden.

    What do you get out of trolling?
     
  5. Space Ghost

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    Because I specifically said "outside of any normal threat". To your credit, I misspelled threat so maybe you didn't understand.

    The point remains. There are rogue actors anywhere. It's why very few people know where the president will be at any given moment.

    And how is 'air cover' going to protect the president from a rogue actor? There are also reports Putin was notified of the visit before hand.

    This was just a stupid photo op. There are probably more guns in America than Ukraine and all presidents take this risk going out anywhere in public. The risk was minimal or he would have never went.

    If Zelensky hasn't been assassinated by now, its safe to say Biden is in a safe place.
     
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    I've come to the conclusion that you're just full of **** and you'll never agree to anything so no point in debating. It's like telling your 3 year old to clean up after herself.
     
  7. Ubiquitin

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    I don’t remember this part in red storm rising.

     
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    This is getting crazy. China won't but if they just go YOLO and attack taiwan I wonder what we do in this moment.

    We won't have our fabs coming online yet for another 3 years. If I'm China if I know I'm going broke because of America's exports ban on chips do you attack and make America to go broke also? China is 10 years behind us at the moment with the current ban.

    Peter did a good piece on this.

     
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  10. Amiga

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    Isn't this the first time a POTUS visited a warzone without US troops on the ground?


    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/20/us/politics/biden-ukraine-visit.html

    President Biden made a surprise trip to the capital of embattled Ukraine on Monday, traveling under a cloak of secrecy into a war zone to demonstrate what he called America’s “unwavering support” for the effort to beat back Russian forces nearly a year after they invaded the country.

    Mr. Biden arrived early Monday morning to meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky after a 10-hour overnight train ride through Ukraine, and the two stepped out into the streets of Kyiv even as an air-raid siren sounded, a dramatic moment that underscored the investment the United States has made in Ukraine’s independence.

    In Kyiv for just five hours, Mr. Biden promised to release another $500 million in military aid in coming days, mentioning artillery ammunition, Javelin missiles and Howitzers, but he did not talk about the advanced arms that Ukraine has sought. Mr. Zelensky told reporters that he and the American president had spoken about “long-range weapons and the weapons that may still be supplied to Ukraine, even though it wasn’t supplied before.”

    The White House alerted Russian officials that Mr. Biden would be traveling to Kyiv several hours before he arrived in Ukraine, in an effort to “deconflict” with Russian military forces operating in the country, Jake Sullivan, the president’s national security adviser, told reporters on Monday.

    Mr. Sullivan said that Mr. Biden made a final decision to go to Ukraine during a huddle with top advisers and security officials in the Oval Office on Friday. Planning for the trip had been underway for months, but knowledge about it was highly limited, even within the White House and the Pentagon.

    Even by the standards of past presidential trips into war zones, Mr. Biden’s 40-hour journey in and out of Kyiv was remarkable.

    He slipped out of Washington in the dark of night without notice.

    Traveling on an Air Force C-32 often used to fly into smaller airports during domestic travel, Mr. Biden took off at 4:15 a.m. Sunday. Just two reporters, sworn to secrecy and deprived of their telephones for almost 24 hours, were brought with him, along with Mr. Sullivan; Jen O’Malley Dillon, the deputy chief of staff; and Annie Tomasini, the director of Oval Office operations.

    After landing in Poland and making his way to the Przemyśl Główny train station on the border with Ukraine, Mr. Biden — long a fan of train travel as a senator and vice president — rolled through the night toward Kyiv, the shades of the purple train’s large square windows mostly drawn.

    At roughly 8 a.m., Mr. Biden’s train stopped at the Kyiv-Pasazhyrsky station, where Bridget Brink, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, was waiting for the president. The morning air was chilly, and the platform had been cleared of people.

    The reporters traveling with him were allowed to send a pool report to other journalists only after Mr. Biden’s arrival and were not permitted to further describe how he had traveled to Kyiv while he was still in the country.

    Mr. Sullivan described the president’s visit to Kyiv as “not a celebration but an affirmation of commitment, of the resilience of the Ukrainian people.” He said the president had decided that sending that message was worth the risk of traveling to a country at war, where the United States has no troops on the ground and only a very small diplomatic presence.

    It was an arduous journey for an 80-year-old president, who nonetheless appeared energized by the opportunity to come in person. Wearing a blue suit with a tie of blue and yellow — the colors of the Ukrainian flag — he greeted the American ambassador.

    Mr. Biden’s visit to Kyiv recalled the secret missions flown by Presidents George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Donald J. Trump to Iraq and Afghanistan during the height of the wars in those countries. But bringing a president into Ukraine without the sort of American troop presence that was on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan, much less control of the airspace, presented a security challenge of a vastly different magnitude. American warplanes were spotted flying over Poland near the border, but they did not enter Ukrainian airspace, officials said.

     
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    they were talking about this on Saturday, how did he "slip out unnoticed?"
     
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    It says in the article. Two pool reporters were sworn to secrecy. Other Presidents have done similar things when making visits to war zones as such visits are rarely announced ahead of time.
     
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    again, there was reporting about this over the weekend.
     
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    link?
     
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    Is Biden a maverick for walking into a war zone? Yeah he is, it’s a serious risk. Should he praised for it? That I am not so sure about. It seems like an unnecessary risk.

    the idea that it isn’t a risk is silly though, of course it is.
     
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    Just another day in the life for Zelensky, right?
     

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