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How other fans think about green and jabari

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sengoat28, Feb 18, 2023.

  1. dobro1229

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    No way that’s the majority opinion. I suspect our young guys are “if they were in a different situation” players to fans of other teams.

    How many threads and conversations did we have here in the post Yao years about guys like ours that lotto picks on terrible teams? There’s a ton of teams that would love to trade for Jalen, and Jabari to see if they’d blossom in their situation. Now will they give up 4 first round picks to trade for them???…. No but in a Terrence Williams type of situation over half the NBA would want to give them a shot.

    Also if there was a situation this summer where a superstar forced their way out of their team to go join… let’s say Harden if he theoretically signed here… that GM trading their star to Houston would absolutely showcase Jalen or Jabari along with picks as a great return for their star player. That GM would also speak to “different situation/better results” as a sell to the fans.

    So no don’t believe this one random Twitter poster, other teams would love to have Jalen or Jabari… would they use their #2 and #3 pick on them???… probably not with hindsight.

    Stone most likely screwed up with the draft either with the player selection or improper infrastructure to put both players in a position to succeed and for that blunder he probably should lose his job imo. Most GM’s never get the fortune of subsequent drafts with top 3 picks. He screwed up a once in a lifetime GM opportunity we’ll never get back.
     
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    How many young players on the worst team in the league for multiple years in a row went on to become stars?
     
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  3. jayfree

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    Here's what these idiots who go to "Political School" do. They come up with random stuff to fuel their view so others will defend theirs. The more they attack with absurdity, the more others will defend until they realize how much time was wasted in this notion. All the while the original Troll doesn't really care about anything other than watching everyone go crazy.

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  4. Sengoat28

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    The Problem with other Commentators are they watch 2 games of Rockets whole season and u think they know the players they talkin about? If the ither commentators would watch maybe 10 to 20 games they would see what a chucker green and smith are both bust. Only hope for Rocjets are sengun, kj, tyty and maybe tari if he learn stop his tunnel vision
     
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    To be a consistent contender in the league, your team basically needs a player in the conversation for top 20-25 NBA player of all time. Even for a lucky 1 off title in a down year league wide, you still probably need a guy who is top 35-40 player of all time.

    Any player who in that category is a some kind of unicorn. You're not finding that kind of player by being constrained to things like "no player who did this has ever..." or what not. That was true for some comment or fact or trivia before some top 20-25 player defied it.

    Basically, if the goal is titles, the Rockets have to be chasing waterfalls. If the goal is be good enough for some playoff runs but probably never really be a contender, then the lakes and the rivers are good enough.
     
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    Can I post a random nobody Tweet and make drama about it?
     
  7. Salvy

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    Yeah and other fans watch Rockets all year round not just the couple of times their $hit teams play us.... GTFO
     
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    SOFs lol

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    Knick fans get a couple seasons over 500 and start acting like their franchise isn’t a complete joke
     
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  11. Caesar

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    Embiid in more recent history. And like them, because there was deliberate tanking. Theirs just to accumulate talent, us for a generational talent. The last 2 years, we just sucked, this year we still suck at maximum effort, but we got more talent than the record indicates due to the purposeful tank.
     
  12. King1

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    They should be laughing at us for not cutting KPJ
     
  13. Caesar

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    It's really not. Go on Jalen Green highlight videos and you see people hype for his future and see people comment that Houston is really young but got a lot of potential and so athletic, etc. Jalens the kind of player who can put together electrifying highlight reels and get non Rockets fans interested in him just for that..be it on a last place team or first place. But, yes, there's probably also tons of people who want to see him and Bari and Alpi and KPj in different situations on different teams-ie their favorite teams.
     
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    lol rockets fans are offended by their team being trash....lolololol
    isnt this supposed to be good? because the more you lose the better young players you get? and this is how you win multiple championships? lolololol
     
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    We've already had enough time watching them to know that the odds of Smith or Green becoming bona fide franchise players is very low, but that doesn't mean you can write them off yet. They both have good odds of becoming solid, possibly all-star level, players. Finding all-world talent in the draft takes a lot of luck, even with high picks, so no one should be that shocked or disappointed. No-brainer talent like LeBron or Luka doesn't come around often. Most of the time, you're crossing your fingers when you draft someone, no matter how hyped a player is, and no matter how high your pick is.

    That's part of why rebuilding is so hard... but the good news is you only need to strike gold once. Role players generally suffice after that.
     
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    Shame we couldn't trade away those SOF's by the deadline tbh.
     
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    Green was always a bad pick. Jabari was a lazy pick, in that there was a consensus 1,2,3 of players (Paolo , Chet ,Jabari ) and the rockets fell into the trap that because the other 2 were taken they had to choose the 3rd. Plus they put themselves into the scenario of having to pick a tall guy because of the previous years mistake on taking green.

    don’t bother arguing with me. If the rockets win a championship with these two I’m happy to admit I’m wrong …but I’m not
     
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  19. marinara

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    What other fan *****
     
  20. dobro1229

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    Or maybe they were still the right picks at the time but the organization hasn’t put the infrastructure around them to be successful. Had the Rockets taken Mobley is there any guarantee that he doesn’t look like a bust in year two with this team??

    My take on it is at the time the consensus league wide was that Jalen was the #2nd best prospect and in 22 Jabari was the #1 prospect. At least 25 other teams imo would have made the same picks at the time… but 29 other teams would have likely had different results due to different situations.

    And all of those people here being like “Wemby or Scoot and all our problems are solved” are kind of fooling themselves. Sometimes yes… you do luck out with a generational talent that defies the odds, but as a rebuilding team you have to assume that you need the #2 and #1 pick (imo we did basically get the #1 pick) to at least be the best version of themselves that they can be.

    The situation that they put both guys in was to their detriment at least up till this point.
     
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