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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Various factors, in my opinion:
    • He needs to assert himself more sometimes - I think he doesn't have the green light from the coaching staff to do it - he should just do it anyway, like he did in some of those games where he had great all-around stats, and we came close to winning - probably a missed Bari 3 or two of those away.
    • Outside of Tari and KMJ at times, his teammates have been frustratingly awful at some or all things. Just because Alpi touches the ball once a possession doesn't mean much if Jabari keeps bricking almost everything he gets from Alpi, if Jalen DGAF on defense and if Nix's general level of suckitude is just outerworldly. Jalen's defense and Jabari's offense are historically bad at this point. You can look at RAPTOR or at other advanced stats, it's really true. Look at Bari's offensive RAPTOR stats and Jalen's defensive RAPTOR stats...historically bad.
    • Finally - we simply don't want to win. Silas pulls him when he has a hot stretch (does the same with some other players, like Tari). I expect next year to be much better. New coach, top pick, some quality free agents/players traded for (hopefully). I expect a big jump in performance not only from Alpi, but also from the other young players.
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    P.S.: Looking at these stats, I am wondering if I was too harsh on Porter. If he could stop hogging the ball for so long and play to his strengths and not be a negative influence in the locker room, he could be a good contributor skills-wise...lots of ifs, though.
     
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  2. Houston77

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    Because this board has pedestals and scapegoats. Very little in between.

    "Guys, Sengun is great, Christian Wood is the problem!"

    ...

    "Guys, Sengun is great, KPJ is the problem!"

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    "Guys, Sengun is great, Green is the problem!"

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    To me, the biggest problem, by far, is Silas. After that, I only see question marks. Question marks that easily can become exclamation marks, mind you, but question marks nonetheless. I'm not crowning anyone yet.
     
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  3. AlperenSengun

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    PER probably yes, because it is related to production. +/- definitely no, it heavily depends on the five you play with and whether the coach is using you(and the others) correctly. I remember the time when Sengun constantly had the worst +/- on the team and the trolls here b****ing about this. He was playing quite well though. +/-, offensive rating as individual stats do not work at all.
     
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  4. Houston77

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    Nevermind. I take this post back.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    You might have missed the last sentence you quoted?
     
  6. Houston77

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    I did, and I retracted, haha.
     
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  7. AroundTheWorld

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    I will admit that seeing how the ball was taken out of Alpi's hands again even without Porter playing makes me feel that Silas is the much bigger problem than Porter, when previously I would have seen Porter as the bigger problem, or both equally.

    I do think a good coach would play through Sengun and have Porter play more off-ball, would design some plays for Bari to get comfortable, and would hold Jalen accountable for no defense/teach him how to play it. And would never play Nix, unless it's intentional for tanking purposes.
     
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  8. Verbal Christ

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    If not the shirt sales Im sure the affiliate marketing ads that I click helps! Much more than just ponying up 5 bucks per month!
     
  9. AlperenSengun

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    Worst team in the league loses its main scorer, the only player resembling a point guard, one of the few players who can put the ball on the floor, and the player who had the ball most in his hands. And you expect the rest to suddenly start winning? I am not a fan of kpj as a starter, or a pg but rockets invested in him and his replacements(really there isn't any) are worse.

    And still this team is coached by Silas, still the defense if horrible, still jabari and green can't get a good offensive game together. And the team is in a psychological collapse.

    Sengun is the most promising player on this roster and definitely a building block for the franchise. Leading to wins is such an irrelevant bar to judge him.
     
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  10. Verbal Christ

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    They say he's better than Jokic, Lebron, Dream and Larry Bird. I've seen each of those guys will their teams to victory in their rookie seasons! Something is awry!
     
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    Don’t you think he doesn’t assert himself more bc he can’t/won’t shoot? It’s how @Reeko said, he can’t put up 15 baby hooks per game. The good news is that teams are definitely paying more attention to him. I understand if yall believe he can be that guy someday, but some act like he’s that right now
     
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    Very fair points there. I’m saying that there’s folks here who think he’s a top player in this league. If we had Giannis right now, he would lead us to wins. Everyone said that we’ll finally be able to turn it around with KPJ. Sengun had 17 games and he hasn’t delivered to the expectations some set for him
     
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    Then they’ll say “he’s only 20” but they’re saying he’s a top player in the league right now!! So like I said, why hasn’t he carried us to some victories lol
     
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    The correct conclusion to draw here (imo) is that there is no such thing as "the" problem with this team. This team has a ton of problems. There is no single change that is going to make this team good, but that doesn't mean those changes are bad to make.

    Is Silas the biggest problem "by far", idk, probably? In my opinion anyway, but still, I can promise you that if we replace Silas with a really good coach but don't make any huge roster changes this is still a team that will win ~20 games, or in the low 20s. Silas is not "the" problem either, because nobody is.
     
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    Rockets can be down 30, Sengun will have an easy free throw line jumper, and he’ll still pass it up more often than not

    they’ll stay complaining about his shot attempts as long as he remains a reluctant jump shooter

    he’s not Giannis or Zion who can just bully their way to the rim all game, and even Giannis takes jump shots
     
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    "They" and "folks" is actually only one guy. You should direct this stuff at the one poster who believes it, there is no group who stands behind any of these opinions. Every "SOF" besides one will tell you he is worse than Jokic, Lebron, Larry Bird, whoever, he's not a top player in the league, and he's not currently good enough to carry us to wins by himself.
     
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    I would say my eye test agrees with this take. I think what’s limiting his volume more than anything is his unwillingness to take hardly any shots outside of the paint.

    I think it’s very possible he’s just not comfortable doing it yet and thinks he’s making the smart decision to look to pass instead of taking a low % shot, but there’s a limitation to how many shots you can get up in a game if you won’t extend your range.
     
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    Fact. But I would mention that hakeem94s outrageous posts get plenty of likes from the other “SOFs”
     
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    Fair but it depends on what it means to like a post, I like posts all the time that I don't agree with. I think I liked the one where he said Sengun would beat prime Larry Bird 1 on 1 because I thought it was funny.
     
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  20. maj21

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    I know who you’re talking about and that’s true.. but there’s many people here that support him and the things he say about Sengun, so they’re a part of it too imo.
     
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