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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    Crimea was just the tip.
     
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  2. Major

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    And as far as the war "escalating", this happened a few weeks after the war started last year, before we were even heavily involved. Russia doesn't play by any rules - the US shouldn't be trying to play by theirs.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/14/russia-malware-electric-gas-facilities-00082675

    Hackers linked to Russia got very close to being able to take a dozen U.S. electric and gas facilities offline in the first weeks of the war in Ukraine, the head of a top cybersecurity company warned Tuesday.

    Robert M. Lee, the founder and CEO of Dragos, which helps companies respond to cyberattacks, said hackers with a group Dragos calls “Chernovite” were using a malicious software to try to take down “around a dozen” U.S. electric and liquid natural gas sites.

    “This is the closest we’ve ever been to having U.S. or European infrastructure, I’d say U.S. infrastructure, go offline,” Lee told reporters in a briefing. “It wasn’t employed on one of its targets, they weren’t ready to pull the trigger, they were getting very close.” Lee declined to offer details on what prevented the attack from succeeding, but said it was halted by a coalition of U.S. government and cyber industry groups.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    **** Russia give them the jets.

    DD
     
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  4. Space Ghost

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    Just for clarification, you do not think the US/NATO is probing Russias infrastructure and either actively or passively planning cyber disruptions in Russia?

    Maybe I am misunderstanding but I believe this topic has been discussed for years. It's well known our cyber security infrastructure is severely lacking. Or maybe it's not and I read the top secret report about it which was found on Hillarys email server/Trumps estate/Biden garage.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Who cares? The USA is not invading another soveirgn nation.....Russia supplied the North Vietnamese weapons and planes and tanks in the Vietnam war, this is just the other side of the same coin.

    And if they send 400k troops over the top, they are going to lose 400k men and it will be ugly.

    DD
     
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    How exactly do you think a country would rebuild its infrastructure after it being bombed to pieces? I'm curious ? Do you want zelensky to pay in gold bars? Tanks? How does one pay for 300b of damages? How exactly do you think ukraine will pay for the damaged infrastructure? What exactly do you think the IMF is?

    *sigh* I wonder what happened to society

    Breaking news: money flows through the banking system to pay for services
     
  9. Major

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    Of course we are. And if we tried to execute one of those, it would be an escalation. But you only seem concerned that Russia will escalate in response to US actions - thus the US should stay out of it. But Russia will escalate whenever it wants, as it was preparing to do in the weeks after the initial invasion, at which point we hadn't done all that much. The US should not play by Russia's rules, nor should we be concerned about what Russia says about dangerous escalations.
     
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  10. Andre0087

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    Calm your jittery ass the **** down, are you always this excited? Damn...
     
  11. astros123

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    This is the D&D. I'm not excited lol. I was just sincerely asking you a question. How do exactly do you think SWIFT works? How exactly would ukraine rebuild its infrastructure?
     
  12. Andre0087

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    Did you watch the video? Based on your statements that's a no.
     
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    This is too crunchy even for me.
     
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  14. Andre0087

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    LOL, crunchy? Yea I don't believe every random video a come across on YouTube, it just appeared in my feed and I watched it. Can't vouch for it's validity...
     
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    What runs out first? Ukrainian ammunition or Russian soldiers?
     
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    I tend to think that us giving them long-range missiles is the exact spot where we need to draw the line and show Russia we are not ****ing around with them anymore.

    just do it. Let Russia respond. No one calls bluff on Crimea and they go forward. Time to call.
     
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    I wonder if reports of Russian casualties are accurate.

    If they are, at some point soldiers are likely to resist voluntary slaughter.

    In WWI components of the French army mutinied in the spring of 1917 and refused to conduct offensive operations after years of futile slaughter in frontal assaults.

    Of course the situation isn’t exactly analogous, but, yea, soldiers get sick of that type of **** pretty quickly. Especially in an army in an unpopular war that’s already dealing with massive morale problems.
     
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