Its time to discuss trading Jalen Green while he's still worth a damn

sengun hater, dont lump sengun with everyone else hoping to save only fans faces

 

Uh what? How did he earn the job? He wasn’t anything special his initial half a season with us, we then banished Wall and handed him the keys giving him free reign to control the ball with the same amount of time as some of the top guys in the league. There was then nothing so special about his 2nd season that would merit the same treatment he was rewarded with for this season. He also pulled some antics in year 2 that could be argued should have cost him his job.

What about the contract extension he agreed to? Is that not a somewhat substantial investment?

You guys are no different than the Greenstans. Just own it. The statistical mental gymnastics, the comparisons to players at their age. The endless list of excuses. It’s the same thing.

 

This is the explanation why the top picks thrive more than lower picks...

Because they get more opportunities, more chances, more shots more leash and more playing time by GMs and the fans alike. nobodys getting fired over 15th pick busting

 

He dominated the G League so they gave him a chance.

What did Green do to get a starting spot?

I'm not sure what contract you are referring to. The only one I'm aware of has very little guaranteed money and has been referred to very positively in the media.

 

First, let me say your last response to my comment misses the point im making about comparing Green's scoring efficiency to guys like Garuba.


Second, KPJ "dominated" the Gleague as a sophomore in the NBA with an entire NBA season under his belt and still couldn't score at a higher efficiency than 18 year old Green fresh out of high school in the Gleague.

 

I get it .. we're playing this game where we ignore 90% of the game and focus only on the one thing a player is supposed to be good at...

 

Forget even the big games. These clowns like to proclaim him as some generational mega star, and his numbers just don't support that at all. He very often puts up mediocre scoring numbers - that aint a generational franchise player. I love Sengun, he's an awesome player with the best personality on the entire roster (including Boban for me personally) but generational mega stars put up BIG numbers. Fact of the matter is that Sengun has more games at 10 points or less than Green does and it's not close. Green has literally 3 games of 10 or less points this season, Alpi has 11. Sengun has a game of literally no points, Green doesn't. Sengun has 17 games of between 11 and 15 points, Jalen has 9. If we look at the other end it's more embarrassing really, Green has 21 games between 20 and 29 points, and then 10 games of 30 or more points including 3 games above 40. Sengun has 11 games between 20-29 pts and one game above 30. THey can bang on about efficiency all they want, none of it means **** if you're still scoring half as many points as a real scorer. But Green's a bust because he scores less than 15 points on 20% of his games, where Sengun scores less than 15 points on 53.8% of his games and is apparently transcendent? Nah, pure bullshit.

 

KPJ led the entire G League in scoring and assists. He was 9th in steals. He also led the league in turnovers.

He was also 6th in free throw attempts since that is apparently one of the most important stats.

He was also 4th in PER.

That being said, he had Wall and a tanking team that could afford to give him the chance.

Anything else you need help looking up?

 

Okay so Jalen Green leads his draft class in scoring and everyone on this team....?


KPJ had a great Gleague stint and it's the only thing that season that gave people something to look forward to as at the time he was literally our only young promising player along with KMJ.

But given context, Green showed more in the Gleague as he did what he did in the Gleague straight from high school and still had a higher scoring efficiency than KPJ who had a season at USC and a NBA season under his belt.

 

Spot on. I still think there is something to be said about players who play up to the competition and guys who just dominate inferior teams. Run through the game logs and see how each of these guys plays against playoff teams. Jalen needs to become more consistent and when he does he will be a game changer in the league while Sengun without a relevant outside shot will be a high level glue guy.

 

It's just getting dumb. We get you love Green inefficient scoring.

Nothing else?

You don't like is matador defense? Dumb decision making? KPJ has room to grow for sure but he's been better than Green in almost every facit. But I get he's a year older so we have to discredit him for being old...

All you ever talk about is points as if he's not chucking up a ton of shots and way more than everyone else.

I bet you think hits are more important than ob% in baseball... just dumb...

 

The hope is that both happen for me. Jalen with consistency is a perennial top 5 scorer in the league, that's what his detractors are seemingly (deliberately) missing. He's already putting up big numbers whilst he's playing badly, with consistency and efficiency they don't stay the same, they GET BETTER (had to write it in capitals for the dumbasses. Nearly wrote "good" in case they struggle with 2 syllable words.) IF Sengun develops legit range at 20 ft or more then he instantly becomes more than a few fancy passes and great scoring in the post - players actually have to close out on him which opens up the court and he also becomes ten times as effective. But frankly, if he was the transcendental player they all say he is, he'd be putting up massive numbers already, and it's just not really happened. He's putting up numbers that range from role player to number 2 guy, that's it. And it'll stay that way until he works on the flaws in his own game, just as much as Jalen needs to work on his.

 

It's worrisome that Green needs help to get motivated and angry but yes he is a player that when "angry" actually performs better. I remember one of the Suns games this season where the opposing commentators was telling a fan in the Suns arena to shut up because he was yapping at Green and Green was effectively transferring that anger to torching the Suns. The commentator was "that guy needs to shut up because he's just making Green kill us". There aren't that many young players in the league where opposing commentators want fans to stop heckling the young guy because the young guy actually feeds of it and starts embarrassing your team.

 

I feel like we have a few players like that tbh. The Atlanta game where they tried clowning on the youngsters and got punched in the mouth is my favourite game so far this season.

 

Get drafted no.2 overall?

 

Are u stupid? Brainless silas gave green his ok to take 20-30 shots evrey game no matther how bad he shot. If sengun takes 10 ir 15 ***** abd maje them with 30 to 40% like green he get benched. Silas says then pass only or u play 15 min games

 

This is all so silly.

Yes, Green needs to improve his efficiency and overall defensive prowess. And yes, Green's numbers, objectively, are very, very impressive for a second year player who came into the league at 19. These are not competing propositions.

It's hilarious to see the Green-bashing squad learn nothing after he embarrassed so many of you towards the end of last season.

 

I want Jalen to harness that killer instinct. He IS inconsistent AF right now no doubt, but the kid gets it up for the tough games. He doesnt shrink. THATS what a championship caliber team needs. Not just a guy who will always make the right play and minimize mistakes. Glue guys dont win rings. Jalen can absolutely take over a game and dictate the outcome he just needs to pull it together on a nightly basis and I think he will. His loudest detractors have the high ground now and thats OK the inconsistent nature of his play makes it hard to defend and you have to pick and choose those battles, but to say he is devoid of talent, "bust", should be traded when the guy is already in the history books for several accolades is just more fan ego. This dude has "IT" his body is still filling out - he will be fine.

 

Pretty general but since scoring is all that matters...

14 guards taken in Jalen's draft who have scored 500+ points. Jalen is 9th in fg%.

OMG, but he's like 20! Ok, 21 now... that means he's for sure going to dominate any year now...

 

It's his 3rd professional season.
What is impressive exactly?

Name something that isn't directly related to shooting a lot of attempts....