Its time to discuss trading Jalen Green while he's still worth a damn

Sengun only fanatics are wild. Frustrated that sengun isn't getting his stats sheet filled up got to lash out and get angry about green.

I think last night game there could have been improvement from green of course but those btching about efficiency while outright ignoring the free throws he drew/made r just too blinded by their love for sengun

 

You're making an assumption there is an improvement.

Improved (per 36)
Assists
Rebounds
Steals
Points

Worse:
Fg%/EFG%/2pt%/3pt%/TS%
FGA
FT%
Blocks
Turnovers

I think you can make an argument he's about the same.

.4 rebounds, .8 assists, lower efficiency across the board.

Good players usually show improvement in efficiency year over year. Young guys who become just guys don't...

 

lol this is nice, but i dont need any stats to see jalen green is just a basketball cancer... he is growing but not to the benefit of the team/organism

 

Can you provide some analysis that provides statistical significance to this claim?


Like a pool of players who joined the league at 19 who got high usage their second year which includes things like defenses honing in?

And what about ftr or assist rate? What about things like pnr ppp?

Green expanded his usage from first to second year quite a bit. Defenses are hedging towards his side more and doubling more often. His percentage of unassisted fgm is much higher this season. There are less vets in the team also.

 

Missed shots:
Green - 560
Sengun - 237

Free throws are great. Green has made 85 more than Sengun.

Doesn't make up for hundreds more bad shots.

The difference in free throw attempts represent one shot per game.

How about we just focus solely on assists or 2pt shooting or some other specific isolated stat?

Just silly...

 

Can you provide some statistical analysis that the sky is blue?

 

You believing that a high usage rookie having a slight dipp in efficiency when they increase their usage even higher their second year while increasing their output substantially is some red flag signal of a failed prospect with such matter of fact confidence behind your tone tells me enough about how much of your rhetoric is out of your *******.

There is a reason why "sophomore slump" is a known adage especially for players like Green who NBA defenses have plenty of tape of for their rookie year. Expanding role with NBA defenses honing in on you with them having plenty of tape of your rookie year because you played a lot your rookie year and increasing output by 5 ppg while dropping ts% by like 1% isn't some sign that Green isn't going to improve anymore. That's absurd. Green is learning to handle defenses setting up zone schemes where defenders are hedging his way or flat out double teams especially out of pnr plays. To increase his output by 5 ppg and dipping 1% in ts given that context isn't some red flag you think it is.

You are seeing this with guys like Barnes and Cade before he got injured. Both increased their usage, had plenty of tape of their rookie year for opposing defenders to learn off of and both had dips in their scoring efficiency. Barnes a significant dip.

Hence why I want you to prove your claim and prove it's a statistically significant claim. Because the claim isn't as obvious as you think.

 

Idk why sengun fanatics like u always like comparing green to sengun. They play different position and complement each other fine.

U were btching about Green having a poor shooting night, I correctly brought to your attention that his stellar ability to draw fouls kinda negates your complaint. Now u are bring up other grievances about green.

We both agree that sengun is currently the better and more polished player. But btching about Green when he played fine yesterday is silly especially when all u want is for sengun to shine.

 

10 Rockets have played 600 minutes this year... here is Jalen's rank among them:

EFG%: 8th
FG%: 7th
2pt%: 7th
3pt%: 7th
Points: 1st
FGA: 1st
Points per FGA: 7th

Green is one of our least efficient players and he's taking the most shots.

That's how you get a bad team.

Green is just a chucker at this point. I hope he gets better but I was expecting more.

 

A mindless chucker who is the worst defensive player in the league does not compliment anyone at all.

 

I think this post exemplifies your stupidity and now I hope you are trolling. When you do these comparisons you are comparing guys like Garubu who take like 3 shots a game and most of them are spoon fed easy looks.

7 guys ahead of Green aren't having the same defensive attention nor are they creating off the dribble trying to beat three levels of defense. The only guys on this team that are in the realm of Green scoring wise are Sengun and KPJ.

 

6 players on the Grizzles have a higher scoring efficiency than Ja Morant. Are those 6 players ahead of Morant on his team in scoring efficiency better scorers than him and would score more efficiently given Morant's role?

 

High usage second year players are usually on bad teams. There are many reasons teams are bad including drafting the wrong players.

Weird players to cite. Cade has barely played his second year and Barnes isn't even top 3 usage on his own team...

 

Fyi, Barnes is 5th in usage on his team. It went from 19 to 20.

Cade has played 12 games. Hisbusage was 29.8 from 27.5.

Not a huge jump but 12 games is tiny sample...

 

Oh really? Now why is that? Is it possibly because bad teams get lottery picks?

There are only a few players in league history that altered a team from suckage to good at ages 19-21 and that's like Lebron and Luka.

To think that a team drafted the wrong player because the team still sucks in their second year is stupid.

 

So you are helping my argument? Jalen gets a huge jump in usage which means increase in energy expenditure, increased defensive attention etc and he increases his output by 5 ppg while a slight dip in ts%. So that makes Barnes look worse here since he gets a massive dip in ts% without a significant usage bump.

 

I doubt Ja would score as efficiently playing power forward so to claim Jaren wouldn't be as efficient as primary ball handler is weird.

Yes, he should take fewer shots and more go to Bane, Jackson, etc.

Maybe his efficiency would go up with better choices on shot selection.

Jalen could reasonably learn to take fewer, better shots...

 

You claimed his usage went up significantly. Stop spinning your lying, it's pathetic...

 

I'm taking a break now, it's fund but I have things to do...

Good luck on your Jalen fanboy newsletter....

 

I think this post also shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how basketball is played.

My explanation also requires a basic understanding of basic probability calculations.

Jackson has a 60% ts right? But he also scored 70% of his pts off of set ups. That 60% ts is a percentage at the point of shot attempt. It isn't a percentage of success as that success implies another aspect before that shot to set up Jackson. We are ignoring 50% of the work to get Jackson that shot attempt that allows him to score at 60% ts.

So in reality let's say say a player scores 60% from the field and 100% of their scoring attempts are from dimes from teammates. That means for that player to end up with with a successful fgm possession the probability of that is actually much lower than 60% as you need to also include the probability of his teammates getting him in position drawing defenders away and setting him up. Let's say that's a 50% probability of him getting set up for that 60% shot. Then the probability is .6x.5(A and B) as both those things have to happen for that 60% shot to exist. So in reality for that hypothetical player who scores 100% of his pts off of assists it's closer to a 30% success rate.

Do you see what I'm trying to explain here? Im trying to word it in the simplest means possible.

In other words simply giving these players who rely on 70% of their makes set up to "take more shots" is a silly thing to say because just magically increasing their attempt doesn't mean they are getting the quality of attempts before that got them that 60% ts.