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Its time to discuss trading Jalen Green while he's still worth a damn

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Balldon'tlie, Feb 11, 2023.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Sengun is definitely more efficient of a scorer? Who says otherwise?
     
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    Scottie Barnes’s is lower despite him scoring over 6 fewer points per game.
     
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    Giddey is about the same even though he averages a lot less on a easier shot profile.

    Cade, the number one pick, is way worse career ts% while scoring less at 50% ts career.

    Suggs is way worse.
     
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    What's funny about you b****ing about ts% is that only one player drafted in the top 6 of the 2021 draft class who has a higher ts% is Mobley who is a big man who gets most of his buckets sponfed to him like Clint Capella. Giddey is about the same as Green's ts but again scores less on easier shot profile.

    So out of the top 6 drafted players he's about the second most efficient scorer while scoring the most on the most difficult shot profile.
     
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    He averages 6.2 per 36, not 17...

    Like commenting on Corey Brewer's scoring after dropping a 50...

    Lots of guys go to the line more frequently... Norman Powell, Sexton, Mathurin, and other stars...

    I wonder if you talk about Sexton as breaking down defenses...
     
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    I guess it was a bad year in the draft...
     
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    Sengun can create for himself and has better vision than Green.

    He also averages more points per possession...
     
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    He can create for himself right next to the basket. His offensive spacing limitations is a major issue.
     
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    Not according to people who follow the NBA. You obviously have this odd impression that Lukas and Lebrons come out of draft classes every year where 19 year olds generate high volume and efficiency.
     
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    Kind of irrelevant since Green has gotten worse as he's gotten more experience...
     
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    Yes he can create for himself. He also is limited to the point where NBA defenses just flat out ignore him and double Green when they do a pnr play at the perimeter.
     
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    I just know there are plenty of busts in lottery. Most years you get 2-4 hits...
     
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    Not really. He's dropped by one ts% while increasing his output by 5 ppg while self creating more and NBa defenses honing in on him more. He constantly sees things like doubles and zone defenses that hedge towards his side.
     
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    Ya. Those busts typically don't do things like have the 4th most 30 pt games for a NBA player before they turn 21.

    So your rhetoric seems to indicate the only type of drafted players that aren't busts are players like Lebron and Luka. You want green to have high volume and high efficiency in his rookie and sophmore season at age 19-21. That's asking for something that has happened like twice in league history.
     
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    You don't have to double one of the least efficient starters in the nba...

    You put everything in ts% and not only is he way below average but he's worse than last year.

    You're just embarrassing yourself.

    I hope Green turns it around but I'm not afraid to say he's been a huge disappointment and would be a bust if he continues at this rate.
     
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    I'm just asking not to be the worst player on the floor 3 out of 5 games.

    I get you're just a fanboy but you're getting ridiculous on your narrowly defined success.

    A lot of your players you can isolate 4 or 5 games and ignore the bad one.

    Cam Thomas had been way better so far... same age, same draft... go ahead and talk about 3 splits to get to where Green is better and ignore 80% of the data... I dare you...
     
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    Banchero is an example of what I'm saying. Before his recent struggles and when he was doing something like averaging 20 ppg on near 60% ts as a 19 year old rookie, people were pegging him as a generational lottery pick. Because that output and efficiency for a 19 year old is extremely rare. Now he's fallen off a bit with a worse scoring efficiency than Green's rookie year. But not a single person is calling hinxa bust for the drop to 52% ts. People still think he was the rightful number one pick even with that ts%.

    Low efficiency is something expected out of young lottery talents forced to do high usage and volume as soon as they enter the league at their young age.

    Now there might be players who joined after three years of college and joined the league at like 21 or 22 who scored a lot and efficiently like Jordan having above league average ts% and scoring 28 ppg as a rookie).
     
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    3 splits? What's a split?

    Dude I think you just don't understand what some basic basketball statistics are. You are just saying stuff out of your ******* now.
     
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    I don't see at an issue in Denver... seems like it's the scheme... they rarely have Jokic launching jumpers...
     
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    I put everything in ts%?

    If this implies I should use fg% and 3pt fg% also then it honestly shows a very basic fundamental misunderstanding of basic math principles such as the concept of efficiency.
     

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