Its time to discuss trading Jalen Green while he's still worth a damn

since when orlando magic become a role model?

this is the problem of trash teams, they imitate other trash teams, follow the standard operational procedures an hope to win championship...its not how it works...
you have to be devoted to excellence and stand out from the crowd!

 

Scoring off the dribble is always a harder task than scoring off an assist. That's why we bring it up. Bradley Beal scoring 35% of his makes as a sophomore unassisted and still having an adjusted ts% similar to Green when Green scores 60% of his makes unassisted says more about how Green is a better scorer than Bradley Beal being a dynamic off ball player at 20. No he scored 35% of his low efficiency makes unassisted because he wasn't capable of scoring 60+% of his buckets unassisted without tanking his efficiency even more. But that's to be expected of a 20 year old guard. Hence why Green's scoring is impressive given context.

Convince me that Beal's 35% unassisted rate while scoring 50% ts compared to Green's 60% unassisted rate at 54% ts is a result of Beal being a more skilled off ball player. You can convince me it's the reason for a person like Curry or Thompson but the guys we are comparing Green to? No.

 

we gonna ruin sengun and his best years trying to pick up jalen green from the bottom

less is more!

 

Generational talents aren't passed on if they are thought of as such at the draft.

Who has Victor going#2?

 

How did you get that from the post? Point is people need to be patient. Young players, not even 21, will struggle.

 

Why wouldn't you if a star is in play?

 

Sure, but the future superstars usually show steady improvement.

I wouldn't expect Green to be a star yet, I would expect him to be much better than last year though.

 

Guy created this weird-ass thread, barely engaged and then bounced.

Now we’re here on page 18 still talking about it.

I think we got trolled, but at least the conversation is fun

 

Because he's 20 and shows a lot of promise being more than just a star? When you refer to "star player" you are referring to a player in their prime who of course is going to be better than current version of Paolo. What a GM is considering here is what Paolo is going to look like at 25 and what that star player they are hypothetically trading for is going to look like in 5 years. In the vast majority of cases the GM is going to see Paolo as the better long term asset. So it better be a serious star player who isn't about to turn 30 and still has a lot of prime years left, someone like SGA.

 

Considering his ts% is off by like a percent from his rookie year while increasing his ppg production by 5 ppg on higher percentage of self creation with more defensive attention with more assists and much higher ftr, he definitely is showing progress.

 

Sure, I mean that when Beal was a rookie and second year player, leaguewide offensive efficiency was 105.9 and 106.7 - now it's 114.9.

Lets' get real, Beal has posted a bunch of 40% 3pt shooting seasons, and none of these required years of lousy shooting to get there. You can whine about volume all you want but maybe Beal is just better at shooting than Green as evidenced by his better shooting than Green? I mean if Jalen Green were an elite off-the-catch shooter maybe you'd have a point but he's not that good at that either as far as I an tell.

 

Among all guards in the nba... with 30 min per night and 35 game minimum...

Green is 50th in efg%....

Not the progress most future stars have in their 2nd season...

Stats came from nba.com advanced stats and then filtered...

 

dont worry you can always count on getting 5 2nd rounders for him

 

Sure, seems like a low bar compared to other 20 year old future stars though...

 

we told you already Sengun is better but you cried SOFs!
rockets fans suffer from new shinny toy and grass is greener syndrome!

 

So why is their adjusted ts% so similar even though Green does it on higher volume and SIGNIFICANTLY higher percentage of self created makes which means much more difficult shot profile?

Bradley Beal can be worlds better as a shooter yet his adjusted ts% is almost the same as Green's on lower volume and with easier assisted looks.

How is that?

Oh Green breaks down perimeter defenses easier which leads to getting to the paint more and getting whistles? Scoring in the paint?

You mean stuff that is more sustainable in the long run? Which is easier for young players to improve and become competent in as they get older? Breaking down perimeter defenses with dribble seperation or shooting consistency? Which trait do young players improve upon more often given the nature of the skill?

 

It really isn't?

 

Its time to discuss firing Silas while J Green is still worth a damn

 

TS% is a better gauge of efficiency than eFG%. Being able to get to the line is part of being efficient. Ask guys like Giannis, Embiid, and Luka (and Harden a few years ago).

eFG% is good at measuring a player's shooting efficiency. TS% is about scoring efficiency. The latter is more important for winning.

 

So that list includes 3 and D guys who barely self create(Mathurin end) or only create for others and barely shoot themselves while only taking easy open looks(Rubio end).