Is Tilman Feritta the worst owner than Les Alexander?

this question being asked as if it is something new LOL

yall were warned in 2018

 

Drayton from 2005ish on was really, really bad. Other than the Westbrook trade nothing the Rockets have done personnel wise matched that stretch of ineptitude. Shelling out $100 million for Carlos Lee while not offering arbitration to Pettite and Clemens to at least get compensatory picks was the first domino of years of horrific decisions.

Les was pretty bad his first few years and overall was just as cheap as Tilman is accused. Not letting Morey bottom out handcuffed him as well. He nearly moved the team. But he hired Morey at a time when that was very forward looking so that gives him a bump to decent owner.

Tilman to me seems like he’s learning so I’ll look at the glass half full and be hopeful. He was pretty magnanimous and didn’t do a Gilbert when Harden wanted out. He doesn’t say the same kind of stuff as he did in his first couple of years. I think he probably learned his lesson with the Russ trade to an extent. We’ve got some decent assets. With some better organizational structure/coach and some luck nabbing a top 2 pick this could look a lot better a year or two from now.

 

Anyone who says yes is simply forgetting how cheap Les was.

 

All your owners are belong to us!

 

Folks wanted him to not be so involved...

Wanted him to put the people in place - and let them do their job...

wanted him to stay outta the way of 'the process'...

I mean i'm no Frittata lover.... but this is what folks wanted... right?

 

The other thing I’ll add is the role luck can play.

If OKC’s owners don’t get cheap and quibble over a few million dollars for a Harden extension, Morey probably gets fired at the end of 2013 and the retrospective on Les’s tenure looks a lot different.

 

Giving up multiple first round picks to close a championship window isn't just some small mistake. He also cheaped out on said title window, and now we are in the worst stretch in franchise history and still don't know if we have anything worth building around. He doesn't have a single positive on his resume as owner right now and was handed a title contender. You literally cannot get worse than he's been.

We're gonna have to strongly disagree on this. Drayton's mediocrity treadmill from 07-09 isn't close to as bad as what we've seen from Tilman, not even in the same ballpark.

 

A) that’s what happens when you’re at the end of your star players prime and he has pushed for major trades that eliminated all your assets. Again. CONTEXT MATTERS. He bought the team and IMMEDIATELY (over)spent to resign CP3. It went down hill from there and all of it compounded from Harden demands and team decisions prior to Tilman. History of the rockets didn’t begin in 2018.

B)They high tailed out of here because they screwed up the team and didn’t want to fix it. But to blame Tilman solely for the situation is laughably ignorant.

c) im not ignoring anything. You’re assuming this “insiders is accurate. Everyone knows Harden wanted Westbrook. That’s why Tilman pushed for it. BECAUSE HARDEN BASICALLY DEMANDED IT (or someone of similar dynamic) but there were VERY limited options BECAUSE CP3 had zzzerrrrooo trade value bc of his injury.

it’s so f’ing silly to cry about Tilman. As if Leslie or basically ANY other owner wouldn’t have made the exact same moves given the situation.

 

He was NOT handed a title contender. He was handed Harden and a broken Chris Paul, to claim that second year team (even with ariza) was a championship contender is pure LOL…

 

The folks that are years behind how tilman is the worst owner are on the same dumb level of basketball iq as he is. They’ll never get it and just go year after year with the dumb excuses and scapegoats. Never realizing the actual problem. His track record since 2018 has been absolute garbage and the rockets are the trash they are now literally because of him

the mental hoops some of y’all tell yourselves is always hilarious

 

The same "broken" Chris Paul that went to the finals 2 years later?

 

He was handed an aging title contender that was about to get in tax hell to stay competitive. It’s not a coincidence Les sold when he did. Sure it’s fair to want the owner to spend whatever it takes but Les wasn’t going to do it.

The WB trade was egregious in terms of comp and I lost my mind when we made it and I saw the terms but almost no one who covers the league expected CP3 to rejuvenate his career like he did and nearly everyone who covers the league thought that was the worst contract in the league behind Wall and ahead of Westbrook.

The comp was awful, the fit was shaky, but at least there was a rationale for it.

Signing Lee and not offering arbitration to Pettite and Clemens was completely inexplicable. And it was terrible decision after terrible decision after that. Purpura then Wade completely ran the farm system into the ground because neither knew what they were doing with how the game was trending.

The organization seems like a mess but the only real “wtf” decision that’s been made since blowing it up seems like keeping Silas employed, but that’s also improving our draft odds so idk.

 

Mental hoops of a tilman minded loser

the same all nba all star nba finals cp3 lmao

 

Even hobbled CP3 is a better player for winning than Westbrook, anybody that actually pays attention knows that.The myth that "nobody" knew CP3 was still good is stupid, a lot of us knew that.

And even still Drayton did a lot of good things before his bad run, like hiring Hunsicker and overseeing our best stretch to that point. WTF has Tilman done that you can say was a positive?

 

Who sold the rockets to Tilman?
He didn’t do it cause he’s forced to do it
He did it for greed

Mark Cuban hasn’t sold the mavericks
He actually likes his city and being an owner

 

I’m probably going to have to move on after this reply because I don’t want to defend a trade I hated as soon as it was made and a player I’ve always thought was overrated and bash a player I’ve thought was underrated at times.

But there is retconning when that trade gets brought up. CP’s TS% dropped from 60% to 56% his PER dropped from 24.4 to 19.7. He looked very slow in that GS series and couldn’t get by Looney in switches. He only played 58 games two years in a row and was a 6 foot tall PG about to turn 34. He looked like like he was very close to done. What he did to rejuvenate his career in OKC is kind of unprecedented.

And in fairness to Russ he looked fantastic and actually was playing winning basketball for one of the only times in the last several years in that stretch after we traded Capela.

I absolutely hated that trade but at least kind of understood it as a huge overpay for a gamble that this is the only move you can make to swap out a player who looks like he might be done. That stretch under Drayton where the Astros slowly disintegrated had decisions I couldn’t even at least understand.

 

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And to clarify. I wouldn’t have even swapped CP3 for Russ straight up, even though CP3 looked like he was probably done and the window already looked closed. I’m just saying I at least kind of get the rationale.

It also seems like since then Tilman is probably listening to his basketball people more. But Nook or whoever can correct that.

I have reason to think things may be at least getting better or will get better with time. By 2008 or so I didn’t have any faith the Astros would ever have a winning organization again with Drayton as the owner. If we bring back Silas next year and do a bunch of foolish things in free agency then maybe I’ll feel more like that with Tilman but I don’t now.

 

Well, random fallacy comment by Bobby implicitly supporting Tilman. We know what the correct position is now.

 

What is this post? You're a good poster and I have nothing against you personally but this narrative needs to be beaten down right here because it's still infecting innocent people.

You realize Tilman bought the team months before the WCF playoff run, right? The purchase was announced in September 2017 and that playoff run was in April/May of 2018. James Harden was MVP and Morey was executive of the year. Do you just not want it to be true? I don't understand stuff like this.

Is it someone else's fault that the team suddenly switched to signing Carter Williams and flipping 1sts for Iman Shumpert and Brandon Knight? And then when a bench full of Filipino League players caused CP to wear out and Harden to get disgruntled, we cashed in for $47M/yr Russell Westbrook after never once dipping into Lux Tax territory with the other top contenders? And then Tilman alienated D'Antoni (publicly) and Morey (privately) and his new front office tried to hitch their wagon to John Wall, Victor Oladipo and Christian Wood, and then the coach with one of the worst records in NBA history during a full rebuild with top 5 draft picks that so far haven't panned out?

We are in a 5 year slide to hell with him at the helm. What in the Emperor's New Clothes is going on around here?

 

Yes. Did you miss the whole part about “everyone thought CP3 was done, especially as a 50m/yr player and had zero trade value?”


all of you are living in hindsight and none of you have the hubris to recognize the facts on the ground in 2018 were not what they are today…