Prediction: Sengun’s defense is going to improve magically

More excuses for Sengun's inability to defend lol. Stop blaming other ppl. He's just a bad defender regardless of who our guards are

 

@rocketchamp is the best!

 

I do find him to be so ridiculous that it is actually hilarious. I sometimes wonder if that is his goal.

 

hahaha ! yes!

 

I mean there is this odd thing going on where people just deflect any criticism of Sengun as not his issue.

 

Sengun will never be Hakeem in the middle but if you do not think the guards lack of defense is not an issue (especially your guy) that makes whoever plays center look worse then you might want to pay closer attention.

 

This is true but look at the big picture. A bad defensive anchor makes guards look worse, and vice versa. We agree on that.

However, there are many championships won with bad defensive guards and a good defensive C. There are no championships without a good defensive anchor. None. There are several championships won with a defensive C who can't do anything on offense (e.g. Ben Wallace). Shaq was an all-time great offensive player who was a lazy defender in the regular season, but he didn't win a single title without playing excellent defense in the post season.

That's not to say it can never happen because for example Jokic is so offensively transcendent that he has put himself in the running for breaking this standard. He is averaging 25 points and 10 assists which means he's generating a bare minimum of 45 points per game.

However the way that any defense has historically been designed is around the anchor. The C is always the most important defensive piece. Sengun must be a good defender and he's getting there (I believe he will get to above average level in 1.5 years or so).

 

he is already there and he only ever played ten full nba games of 35 minutes
the fact that you personally doesnt see it doesnt even matter

imagine shaq playing 15 minutes a game? would he still look like shaq?
LOL
dumbalytics cult living that paper life of math formulas and formulas of the past

 

Nevermind that a lot of those same people are calling Green a flat out bust, but Sengun's an MVP level, all-star max player already. Despite becoming a non-factor in a lot of the games he plays. You'd think he was the next Lebron the way his dickriders talk about it.

 

If these SOFs were really 'bout it' for this team they wouldnt go scorched Earth on all the other players on the roster in some strange circle jerk where Sengun is already a historic player and only they know how he should be maximized. Supremely off putting. Im pretty sure I've seen Sengun getting cooked over and over again on defense, but they will go into a a WHATABOUTISM furor about everyone else and find some trivial stat that says otherwise and then gaslight til they go blue in the face AND THEN have the nerve to get insecure and offended if any other player is the topic of the day or has a moment where they get the attention.

Hakeem94 genuinely thinks Sengun is better than Lebron - go peep the Vic Wembanyama thread. LOL.

 

Sengun, like Green, will be on his rookie contract for a few more years.

Are you willing to take a bet on whether he will be a max player when his rookie contract ends?

I am willing to be $ 1,000 on it.

Loser pays to tip jar or a charitable cause of your choice.

 

@hakeem94 is very "enthusiastic", to say the least, but you are misrepresenting what he said.

His point was, Sengun's ceiling is unlimited/undetermined at this point. He isn't saying that Sengun is better than Lebron now.

He also consistently points out that Sengun could have been developed more if he had actually gotten more minutes. Silas is doing the opposite, randomly limiting Sengun's minutes.

 

Nah I stopped reading that moron's posts when they repeatedly replied to me (a jewish person) with Hitler memes. If it was real life they'd be in hospital tbh. But yeah they're really stupid, Sengun, just like Green has flashes of brilliance, but if I was to bet on one of them being a perennial all star in the future it wouldn't be Sengun. Green's much more raw for sure, but he also didn't have near to the same youth development as Sengun who's been professional for years. We're seeing Green's floor, I'd hazard that Sengun's a LOT closer to his ceiling than Green is currently. Now, neither of them may hit their ceiling and make it a bad bet, but if they both hit theirs, Green's the star of the team, not Sengun.

 

The Hitler memes and statements are utterly stupid and wrong. I agree with you on that 100 %.

As to their ceilings, as a Rockets fan, I am hopeful and strongly believe (given their age and shitty coach so far) that there is a lot of room for improvement for both.

I also think they should complement each other really well going forward.

Furthermore, I am convinced that if we get either Wemby or Scoot, each of them would work well with both Sengun and Green. And with Tari anyway, because Tari just "cleans up", whomever he plays with.

 

Oh for sure, I don't think either is remotely at the end of their development, I just think Sengun's a lot further along in his and a lot closer to his ceiling than Green is. Conversely, Sengun's floor is dramatically higher than Green's and I think he's already a perfectly serviceable NBA player even if he doesn't improve at all, Green however needs to improve to get to that same level and his floor's probably an end of the bench sparkplug. I think they're great compliments to each other, and they have natural chemistry. I've said before I think Wemby and Sengun especially would be a great pairing because their games don't overlap much and should compliment each other well, with Wemby more on the perimeter on offense and able to be the defensive anchor than Sengun never will be.

The people snap-judging that Green's a bust however (most of which are SOF's) are just clueless about basketball. He's inconsistent and immature, but busts don't lead their entire draft class in big game performances. People act like any player given the opportunity can do what Green's done, and it's complete nonsense. People compare him to Tyreke Evans, who never improved on his PPG average from his first season - Green's already increased his average by 4ppg, compared to less than 1ppg for Scottie Barnes and Mobley, none of whom get called busts. The only thing less r****ded than calling Green a bust are the people claiming Sengun's already a top player in the league - he isn't. He's frankly not even close to it with how easy some teams have shut him down. Saying that doesn't mean I hate Sengun, I still own more Sengun jerseys than any other current Rocket, but he has flaws and he has areas to develop on. If he never develops range outside of 10ft and he never gets better on defense, people are going to be very upset because that really does cap his ceiling at much, much lower than his fans like to pretend he's currently at.

 

You say Sengun has a lot to improve but at the same time you assume that he is somehow closer to his ceiling.

From what I have seen as a fan, players with higher basketball IQ who are also willing learners tend to improve more over time. That's why I am very optimistic that Sengun can still improve a lot. He is also not yet fully physically developed.

But neither Green nor Sengun are getting the right coaching to improve as much as they could/should, in my opinion. My impression is that Green is not being held accountable at all (and he would improve more if he were to be held more accountable, e.g. for his lack of defense) while Sengun basically doesn't get the minutes he should be getting to improve faster.

I also think Sengun should be in control of the ball more than he has been. It is pointless to let Nix have the ball more than Sengun. Yes, there will be turnovers, but there will also be a lot of points created. Playing Nix more minutes than Sengun and having someone like Nix or KPJ pound the ball does nothing for either Sengun's or Green's development.

Green would benefit from it, too. He would get better passes. I think Green will always score more than Sengun, but Sengun will do more of everything else. And it is perfectly complementary.

I just want to see what a really good coaching staff could do for both these players.