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We picked the better player later two years in a row

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Feb 2, 2023.

  1. napalm06

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    Straw man argument?

    Also they are all 19 and 20. We shouldn't be prioritizing anyone at this stage, except reducing KPJs ball dominance.

    Jalen and Jabari were both consensus top 3 picks. It's really important to the franchise to try and find their ceiling and not squander the investment. A competent organization shouldn't just "de-prioritize" them because another player is playing better.

    It's up to coaching staff to maximize everyone.
     
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    What I am saying is that after a while, players should be held accountable and given opportunities based on their performance, regardless of draft position.

    That has not been the case.

    And my argument is that this is actually not good for the consensus top 3 picks either.

    If Tari plays harder and better, give Tari more minutes.

    Bari can earn them back by playing better.

    That's how you teach, and ultimately, that's best for everyone.
     
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    I don't think Bari and Tari really play the same position. Tari and Tate share the same spot and minutes. Bari is not really a wing, he's more of a switchable big
     
  4. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    the draft is a crap shoot. The more shots you have the better chance you'll land a star.

    At minimum Jalen and Jabari will be in this league for the next 8 years. They could be solid NBA starters and that would be fine.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    They are better when Jalen plays well or not at all. He almost never plays well.
     
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    The way so many of you write off players 1.5 or even .5 into their career is astounding. Some “fans” y’all are.
     
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  7. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I hear ya. The fact is though players have until their 3rd year in the league to show who they really are.
     
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  8. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    I have no real complaints about Stone's drafting so far.

    Sengun is the best draft so far from his class considering his position. I don't think it's really arguable at this point.

    Green still goes top 3 in a redraft IMO.

    Eason looks like a huge steal and great value.

    The only major question mark is Smith, and it's way too early to make on a call on him. Besides, let's be honest -- I don't think there's a single team that would have taken a different player at 3.

    There are legitimate bases to criticize Stone. I just don't think his drafting is one of them.
     
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    Pointing out that players have not performed well, and suggesting that they earn their playing time is not writing off players....it's just being honest and calling for accountability. If you enforce some standards maybe you'll unlock something more in players.
     
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    I've said it before, not really joking. Eason is a better version of Corey Brewer. These guys create chaos, on both ends. You love their hustles and the opponents would scratch their heads when the guy is having a good game. But ideally you want them to come off the bench to bring in sparks rather than your regular system guy.
     
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    Has anyone written anyone off on this thread, at all?
     
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    That's mostly because GM's are very conservative when it comes to top 5 picks. They almost never deviate from the big board. The only recent GM fk ups have been due to really bad work outs.

    Green and Jabari were as vanilla of picks as you can get.

    Boston worked out Fultz and he was horrendous, so they finessed the 76ers. Raptors worked out Suggs and Suggs was really bad, so they went to Barnes.

    And then there's the whole Luka thing.
     
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    I do find it hilarious that Green is supposedly a bust or not going to be a good player despite putting up better counting numbers than his entire draft class. I swear our fans are some of the most asshatted fans I've ever encountered. Use ROTY Scottie Barnes as an example, his ppg numbers have increased by a whole 0.4 ppg vs Jalen's 4.4ppg increase, never seem to see him being called a bust. Hell let's look at Mobley, he's currently average 0.3ppg better than he did last season, colour me "impressed"... :rolleyes: Green's ceiling was billed as potentially leading the league in scoring one day, seems more than plausible once the consistency gets to where it should be. What a bust!
     
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    If we do not get a top 2 pick for Wemby or Scoot this year should we trade down to the 15-20 range since stone is batting a 1000 in that range? I am only semi joking. Granted he has not verifiably struck out yet with either of his top 3 picks but he but he sure as heck does not have a hit yet either.
     
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    Whatever it takes to push his Sengun in the franchise agenda. That’s all he cares about
     
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    The defense, rebounding, and attacking the rim has been great with Alpi, Tari, and KMJ together. The team hasn't had to rely on 3 point shots falling the past 2 games.
     
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    Let's say we trade gordon and kpj is back to full health. What do u envision our lineup is gonna b with your philosophy.
     
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    I don't think anyone has called him a bust.

    I still have high hopes for him. He is only 20 (for 6 more days hehe). And Jabari is only 19.

    Just saying that they will need to improve, and that they should be held to the same standards as others, regardless of draft position.
     
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  19. Bobbythegreat

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    If we were playing guys based on performance, we'd start

    Sengun
    Tari
    KJ
    Tate
    KPJ

    or

    Sengun
    Garuba
    Tari
    KJ
    KPJ

    Then if players fail to perform or other players earn more minutes, you move things around from there.
     
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  20. glimmertwins

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    Isn’t he already on the roster wearing a KPJ jersey? Look at those stat lines and tell me I’m wrong.

    Wait does that mean Stone did something else right by getting the exact same player for a 2nd rounder and paying him HALF of what Russel makes for nearly the same player? I know no one like KPJ on this team but you gotta hand it to Stone for bringing value in at the cost of a 2nd rounder that likely wouldn’t even make a roster.
     
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