KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

You're starting to become Bobby and Jiggly level of annoying with your antagonism. Give it up, sometimes you are wrong. Admit defeat, your KPJ dream is over.

 

Yeah, that hasn't been the case. You can point to random outlier games, but they've been getting blown out by just about everyone without KPJ in the lineup. The myth of the team doing better without KPJ is just cope. Just say what you mean, Sengun's personal stats got better and Green had a fluke good game.....he has those every once in a while....just like Gerald Green once did.

When it comes to KPJ the PG, I'll say the same thing I've always said, he's a combo guard forced into that role because he's by far the best guard on the roster. He'd be MUCH better in a situation where there was a second competent guard....we had hopes Jalen Green would be that, but thus far that hasn't been the case. Perhaps if they land Henderson, we can move KPJ back to the SG and have our dual guard system....till then, he's stuck running the point as the sole competent guard on the entire roster even though that situation is suboptimal.

 

He wishes....

 

Fact is KPJ is not a PG and that experiment has only dragged on this long because one Rafael Stone has attached his wagon to the Head Honcho. If Porter Jr succeeds then Stone gets to take all credit, and he is desperate to have KPJ be his James Harden trade. Thus far it's proven to be a fool's errand. The writing is on the wall. This guy doesn't have the mettle or innate leadership qualities teams need from their starting PG. Not at the NBA level at least.

 

I am not a massive KPJ fan, I just think he is catching heat when others slide by for the same transgressions and I like a good COME BACK story, so am cheering for him.

Been a fan for more than 50 years - I don't care if it is a popular opinion been right as much as have been wrong - doesn't matter what others think - matters what you believe.

KPJ is a very good NBA player who has had mental health issues - and how can you not cheer for that......and if you are going to b**** about him, you damned better be b****ing about other players with similar issues.

Alpi's turnovers for instance as the hub.....

Because otherwise you are just showing your bias.....and that is what I am pointing out.

KPJ has been pretty good as a developing PG, but some folks just don't like him so they are desperate not to see him and most of them are just following along with group think.....instead of researching for themselves.

DD

 

lol the constant attempts at throwing KPJ into the same tier as Alpi are hilarious

 

I'm rooting for him too but that will require him to realize he is a Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams type of player. It's a huge leap for him to get over the delusion that he is the leader of this team.

 

This is a big dent to Stone's resume. The longer he holds on to him the more foolish he looks. I'm starting to think he'll wanna double down and sink with that ship as well.

 

KPJ and Alpi - similar stats, different narratives.

That might happen, but at 22 and 1.5 years playing PG, he needs the time to find out if he is much more than that, and 50 points as a SG in an Era where combo guards are leading all over the NBA we should give him that time to find out.

Why are you and others trying to pigeon hole a 22 year old player who is changing positions and doing what he is asked?

DD

 

The success of KPJ has nothing to do with playing as a certain type of PG though....I think that's where you get lost. KPJ being objectively the 2nd best player on the team.....as someone they got basically for free, means that the trade was a success. In fact, it's one of the only success stories Stone can claim. Basically the KPJ trade and the Sengun pick.....then a whole lot of bad.

I think those who have a fairly narrow idea of what a PG is or should be struggle the most with this. Steph Curry has never really been a "pure PG", but no one would suggest that he's a failure as a player based on that.

The past two seasons KPJ has averaged 6 assists to 3.3 turnovers Curry for his career has averaged 6.5/3.1.

Again, the reason people whine so much about KPJ is due to the failures of those around him. If Green was the guy some people thought we were drafting, there would be no complaints because the team would be in a very different place than they are. If Jabari could shoot, it would greatly change the perception as well.

 

What are you even talking about?! Sengun pick was all thanks to Eli Witus

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

1. Sengun
2. KPJ

"take that for data"

 

Stone is obsessed with looking smart, it’s not enough to get a decent 6th man for a bag of chips, he needs to be a superstar.

 

Still a pick made by Stone even if someone else advocated for it. Like I said, KPJ and Sengun are basically the only success stories Stone has to go on.

If we want to talk about his failures.....just look at the players he drafted with his top picks or his inability to dump EG.

 

When the team eventually gives up on him and the rest of the league barely gives him an audition in any significant role - will you still keep beating your drum that he's great?

Ball dominant guards on bad teams will always accumulate stats as someone has to score. Has this been in any of your analysis?

 

Yep, just as I have been saying our two best players and Eason is 3rd.

DD

 

When/if he leaves, I will be a Rocket's fan, I challenge you though, if he continues to improve will you continually b**** about him or will you actually CHEER for a Houston Rocket's player?

Honestly, what do you do when he makes a floater in the lane, or a 3pt shot are you excited that he made it for the team, or do you groan because you know he will shoot more.......my guess is the latter, and that ....is very sad as a Rocket's fan.

DD

 

If we're talking Stone failures, then prioritizing KPJ's development to the detriment of Jalen, Alperen and Jabari would rank right there at the top of the list.

 

Incredibly lazy analysis. But as usual - you continue to cover for KPJ by saying he's essentially got the same experience in role as someone w.... 2 years of playing time or in this case 8 games. Doesn't seem to matter to you - it's all about changing people's minds because they are wrong and you are right.

 

then you try to steer the conversation to levels of fandom. one of your typical fallbacks.

I challenge you to root for steve francis as the point guard of the rockets in perpetuity...... no - when it's clear it won't work, move on and quit banging a dead drum. that is fandom. I want my team to improve.

you discount everyone's opinion other than those three people that agree with you. a bit myopic, don't you think?