Okay and the article shared by JK is of an account of her time with two violent offender trans people. What makes it odd here is all the claims that are corroborated are for INTENTIONS to move a trans person to a women's prison. Therefore a story by a a single former prisoner about her alleged experiences needs basic journalism standards like at least state in the article that you attempted to reach out to other prisoners during her time there to corroborating events. And just say "this is the account of a single person. We haven't verified these details yet". Every single trans female POSSIBLY going to a female prison has entire articles and headlines. So this women's account should make it easy to track the two specific trans people.
Another bizarre tangent of attacking the source. You don't have to take that one article as gospel. It's a landing point to do your own research rather than flippantly dismissing the entire topic.
if I'm going to judge the credibility of a publication I want to know if they do the basics like asking for corroborating accounts and then expressing in the same article if they found an account or no one came forward. Basic journalism when you have a single source for a story. She told her story to the publication and the publication if they are credible would.do their own due diligence. Flippantly dismissing an article or source would be someone looking at the publication and seeing that publication has an opposite ideology and therefore just dismissing it. I don't even know the history of this publication and their political leanings. My dismissive nature of the article comes from actually reading it and seeing key red flags that normal competent journalists usually include in their reporting but excluded here. A sincere fear for a female prisoner around a trans female? Reasonable. Sure. Just like the female student athletes who feel they are being cheated by having birth males in their division. But if I was to express those fears in a manner to convince someone that these are real issues, I would find the blatant examples. Actual examples eof trans females rapping birth female prisoners. If this is a legitimate issue I would imagine there are cases of these. Same concept applies to trans females in women's public restrooms. I need examples of trans females sexually assaulting or harassing a female in a public restroom.
I really notice a pattern here from the Left. "Oh, it's not really a problem, the numbers are so small." (as if one rape weren't one rape too many) until "Stop pretending it's a minority that is so small that one shouldn't introduce special bathrooms and use pronouns and [God-knows-what] - the numbers aren't small! It's a lot of people you hateful bigot are marginalizing! The numbers are huge!"
To me this mindset is scary because it's the typical right wing fascist playbook that can always justify increasing "law and order" and things like migrants control. There will always be an anecdote to push a position of stronger law enforcement presence or being more cruel to migrants. So no, we need a statistical analysis of whether this is a sincere problem or a rabble rousing issue to make the commoners angry about people who can't push back and ignore the Peter Theils and Musks of the world and the damage they are doing to society. A cruel person can always justify cruelness by using singular anecdotes. The thought process here means a justification for a continual increased law enforcement state til the end of civilization or mass violent pushback.
No but self identifying women who look like the Undertaker or The Ultimate Warrior shouldn’t be in the same prison as natural women @Os Trigonum @Commodore
Chowder is liberal trash. There's a reason he's all alone. Nobody wants to be around him. He just cries on the internet
What's more likely: a transgender woman rapes a female inmate in female prison, or a male inmate rapes a transgender woman in a male prison? Isn't that the key question, if the goal is to minimize rape events? Edit: That said, protecting women prisoners from a trans inmate who was convicted of assault against women by placing them elsewhere does seem pretty reasonable. But placing a trans woman with male prisoners would seemingly create a high likelihood for them to be sexually assaulted, so that doesn't seem right either.
What’s clear is the hypocrisy regarding respecting women. I side with the pro choice crowd because I believe ultimately, up until a certain point the female should be able to choose. What I don’t understand is when how some people, when they dig deep enough into their virtue signaling go **** women and them wanting to feel safe. A very very large cohort of women, And I would say the majority (if they weren’t afraid of being ostracized or canceled) do not feel comfortobale around biological males when it comes to their vaginas hanging out. Remember, some of these women, including someone I know well have been raped. what militant leftist on this board is saying is **** it; me and the biological men I am defending are the ones to tell you why and how you should feel safe. It’s blatantly anti woman. nobody is saying trans folks can’t transition or do what they want, people are saying stop infringing on the well being of women and it’s being scrutinized. That’s how radical some people have become, it’s inssne
It’s not just about the rape occurring, it’s about women and their general fear of being assaulted by those with a male physique and penis. I don’t think a lot of you have spent time around women, it is a general concern and a big reason as to why they don’t feel safe. You can’t simultaneously be pro choice when you want, pro #metoo and decide you want to remove the XY from the equation when it has been documented and proven time and time again women do not feel safe or comfortable with males they do not know (individuals with male physique or a penis) in environments that they are prone to being assaulted in. I’m saying this with respect to all men, if a woman said that about you or me she had a right to feel that way as well as to feel safe. It isn’t anything either of us would be offended by we’ve promoted a culture of assault awareness and it is more accepted that women that have been assaulted by men are fearful of positions and situations where men, who have done nothing wrong and aren’t at fault, are present due to invoking prior trauma. You guys are the same people that would be shaming one of these women for having a panic attack for being forced to undress in front of these individuals. I don’t even think those that are trans push she issue as much as the crowd behind them
Yeah, it's not the "rarity" of trans rape in prisons, rather why it should be a problem to figure out in the first place. I'd rather not want to think about pregnant inmates or abortions happening in prison. It's already ****ed up as it is with people here throwing up their hands as if rape is just a thing that happens in jail. It's been posted in this thread about a biological male raping a female inmate. Prison is not a team sport, nor are there awards or acolades for labels. The thought of hiring an obstetrician for an all male jail is a ridiculous bureaucratic waste as well. I don't even really care if they transition on my dime. I just don't need the thought of buff trans women with a history of violence and abuse roaming around all women jails.
Have there been incidents in the past that would make someone concerned? Or is it just in the realm of hypotheticals so far?
Others might've I've never made that argument. I've made the argument that we should tolerate them. That doesn't extend to criminal behavior regardless of the gender.
Many women I know are bigger advocates for trans rights than I am. So your experience isn't the same as mine. That said I'm not going to pretend to speak for all women as many here seem to want to. A lot of these arguments though seem very similar anti gay rhetoric. Such as we don't like having gay people in locker rooms because they might be attracted to other people in the locker room. Violence regardless of the gender should not be tolerated under any circumstances. Yet the argument we hear is that accepting trans will lead to violence.
Its a terrible story but that single story doesn't prove it's not a rarity. Again numerically there just aren't enough trans people especially criminal trans people that would make them a significant part of a prison population. As stated though prisons are an extreme situation. Once you're in prison you've already given up your rights. Basing how trans people or anyone should be treated in the rest of society based on what happens in prison would be like saying that because there is a lot of racial violence in prison then segregation in the rest of society should be considered.
Speaking as an architect most of the fear around non gendered bathrooms is being addressed by that those bathrooms are being designed for one person at a time. Even the old toilet stall where there is a foot of clearance on the bottom and they dont go to the ceilings are slowly being phased out in favor of stalls with more privacy. The bathroom designs we're now doing have much more privacy and security no matter what the gender. This isn't just a reaction to trans people but that people in general like more privacy.
There is some friction between strong feminists and some more extreme trans advocates. I can see both sides of it. Some women are very cognizant of the level of discrimination they have faced historically and don’t believe that someone that was born as a male and raised as a male has the same history of oppression that women do and accordingly are not women. Further, they point to the high levels of crime and violence perpetrated by males and do not want a transsexual born as a male to be in a position to exploit women. Lastly, some women do not like that they are being asked to again put their struggles to the side to accommodate another group. Many feminists do not view trans women as women because of different experiences. No group speaks for an entire gender, but there is a lot of down low conflict over it.
I'll only respond this time. I know you have absolutely no class but joking about pedophilia isn't funny. It just shows what a low character person you are. All that said, I didn't realize you were gay andd transgendering. I guess the pictures should have initially showed it but I don't pay much attention to it. Sorry I don't support your lifestyle. Good luck with your new lifestyle and we're lucky you don't have children to influence that lifestyle upon them. No wonder your parents hate you and you have no friends. You won't be on the board very much longer
I'm not denying there are women who don't like trans women outrightly or feel they are being asked to sacrifice for trans women. Women aren't monolithic in their views. That said there appears to be a lot of men here speaking for women and saying we need to stop things like trans people using bathrooms competing in womens sports to protect women. I think women can make those decisions which is one reason why even though I don't believe that trans women will wipe out women's sports I'm willing to leave it to the sports leagues to decide rather than say we need laws to stop it or allow it. As far as prisons again this is an extreme situation. Prison rape should be a problem by people of any gender. That is a bigger problem but it's not one we should base society wide policy on.
