Are we going to dig up their corpse, perform a seance and say "Hey did you kill yourself because you were trans"?
He's complete garbage. He's just a liberal puppet who can't think for himself. That's why he has to project his failure on to others. It's one thing to not like me but attacking my family just shows what a scumbag he is. I'll never respond to another post of his. Hopefully when Dave checks the reports he'll be gone.
Yes when you humanize a group you often use basic empathy skills which can lead to emotions from not being a psychopath. The fact that I can understand why there is a high suicide rates because things like family disowning can result in suicide doesn't mean I don't appreciate "data and peer reviewed" articles. It just means I have basic humanity. And if I post a peer reviewed study about trans suicide rates I don't expect to you to read it, be introspective while doing so and coming up with a new understanding. If I expected that you were capable of that endeavor, I would see a use in sending you a study.
I admit it would be tough to find them and the best you could do is say there were lots of people not living their best most authentic life. I don't think you want to touch the question of where were all these suicidal depressed kids, especially girls, in the 80s and 90s. Maybe a way to find them is to use some sort of method similar to the one used to find Covid related excess deaths for those who doubted whether or not Covid deaths were miscounted. I dunno.
I don't know how using a method to find deaths caused by a virus would work on deaths caused by someone's mental distress? Can you be more specific about the method?
We aren't the only ones here. You need to post those studies just to refute what I am posting. I don't know either. But just cause we don't know of a method doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Duh.
COVID deaths are based off of easily determined evidence, they were infected with COVID at the time of death. If the deaths were closeted that would mean there isn’t easily determined evidence. That said we know that prior to recent times transgendered people were heavily discriminated against including being shunned by their own families and most of society. It would logically follow that such stigma would lead to things like suicide. the argument you’re making essentially the argument that Iranian leaders have made saying there are no gay people in Iran and challenging. Someone to find gay people in Iran.
I am talking about the methods used to find people that were not counted as Covid deaths but were likely to be Covid deaths. I believe they were called excess deaths. That was referenced when countries seemed to underreport Covid deaths. Of course, the method would not be the same because you aren't looking for extra unexpected deaths to find possible Covid related deaths. The evidence would be somewhere. Let's say you have 100 trans suicides once we started counting them out of 1,000 total suicides. The amount of around 1,000 total would still have to be somewhere in the prior years. But if we are seeing around 900 total suicides in prior years, then it is unlikely for you to find those 100 trans suicides. That is a rough explanation, you'd have to be more specific than rough totals, but I don't believe it is impossible to find possible trans suicides if they are there to find. What I have no doubt you would not find is all of these suicidal, depressed kids identifying as this or that back in the day.
Sorry for the delayed response. I will agree with you that I have no experience with transgender people. I just don't understand it and for that reason I'm probably naive on comments on it. It just seems so weird to me. That being said, you've been incredibly respectful and people like yourself at least open my eyes to things that I don't understand. It's unfortunate people like fchowd virtue signal instead of having an actual conversation. I genuinely do wish the best for your family member and hope for the best. Appreciate your honesty
This sounds like you're bringing an argument from another issue. Yes you can. If someone who had tested positive for COVID, developed symptons associated with COVID such as lung failure and then died of such it is logical say they died of COVID. If someone had tested positive for COVID but had a gunshot in the heart then it would be logical to say they are dying with COVID. The situation here is if we didn't test for COVID and then claimed that people weren't dying of COVID even if they died of symptons that would be consisted with COVID. THat is the argument being presented. If someone is closeted we don't know if they are transgendered or not. If they kill themselves other than a suicide note we would have no idea what they commited suicide from. Knowing though transgendered people were much more stigmatized in the past and were much more closeted it would be much harder to determine who was transgendered because they didn't want it known. Arguing that actually meant there was less and that people weren't committing suicide becasue of stigma of being trans because they weren't out telling people they were is basically the same argument that Iranian leaders use to say there are no gay people in Iran. There aren't any people declaring they are gay in Iran because it is heavily stigmatized and officially punished to be gay in Iran.
I don't follow your reasoning. For one you can't go with total number of suicides because the overall population is much greater now than then so yes there are probably many more suicides now than say 1950 because the population is at least double now of then. You would have to look at the rate of suicides versus the rate of population. Of course you wouldn't have depressed kids identifying as Trans back in the day because of the stigma. That is my point with talking about Iran. You don't have a lot of Iranians identifying as gay because Iran outlaws homosexuality and has far greater stigma towards it than the US. Does that mean that there aren't gay people in Iran. Most likely there are and probably not much different than the US given that every society going back to ancient history has at least mentioned that homosexuality existed as a thing. This goes again to a flaw that I see often in these type of thinking. That education of the existence of LGBTQ and acceptance of LGBTQ leads to more LGBTQ. It leads to more open LGBTQ but given that we don't actually know how many LGBTQ there were before when most were closeted.
Well, it’s not that hard to tell if someone is transgendered I mean that dude beating those girls in swimming was obvious Any ‘woman’ who has an adams apple or talks like Barry white
You have the right to not like trans people and to think they are weird. You have the right to not want your kids around them and support the right to home school. Transgenedered people though exist. They want what all of us want, being able to live their lives openly. We live in a society where we don't agree on a lot of things. Part of living in a free society is being able to live with those who we don't agree with.
Thanks man, I appreciate it. I'll admit that a lot of it was conceptual to me, too, until it became more real. I guess that's partly human nature. As I said, I consider myself pretty moderate on the issue: I don't agree with the far left's over-emphasis on teaching LGBT issues to children who, statistically, are likely not gay or trans. But I also disagree with the right's desire to not discuss anything about them at all or hurting small numbers of kids who play club sports (or even create the team in certain instances). There are gay kids and trans kids (my family member mentioned knowing as young as five) and I don't think many regular people have a good idea of how to address them without coming across as politically motivated. We'll get there in time, I guess.
You're always honest and respectful which I appreciate. I just don't agree with that lifestyle. I'm not intolerant as I support gay rights and gay marriage but I'll never agree with transgender people. It just doesn't make sense to me. That doesn't mean I want them to get beat up, harassed or ridiculed, just means that I don't agree with it and choose to not associate with them or have them around my children
