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Does trading for John Collins make any sense?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lachard Binkley, Jan 27, 2023.

  1. Imanimal

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    Hearing Rockets are looking to trade both EG and KMJ at the deadline. Team wouldn’t be as fun to watch without KMJ.
     
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  2. ApacheWarrior

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    I can see where Silas would go for John Collins......
    a better version of Dwight Powell with 3-point shooting.

    You can see the PnR potential in the video




    Might be a sign Silas has a wink and a nod to continue to at least the end of season.
    But then again, most (all) coaches can feature the PnR.

    I suspect it's mostly for driving up the pricetag for others.....Mavs?
     
  3. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    I love the segment on Josh Christopher. It's about time.
     
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  4. saleem

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    I hope it's a diversion. I want Alex Caruso on our Rockets. Defense is the key for Houston.
     
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  5. ApacheWarrior

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    Hey now, I was saying bring Caruso here earlier this year.

    Chicago will be having a fire sale with Lavine and DeRozan

    Looks like my other target of Myles Turner is off the market.
     
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  6. YOLO

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    At the expense of whats been proposed to get him.

    HELL NO
     
  7. fadeaway

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    I'm not sure. He's a good player, but I think we're probably better off with more kids that fit the longer rebuild timeline.
     
  8. riko

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    It makes as much as sense as investing in Enron
     
  9. saleem

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    Yes, certainly you did mon ami! Alex will be a good fit for us. Our culture does need a drastic change though. Nobody wants to play under a weak head coach.
     
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  10. saleem

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    KJM is John Collins lite at a much lower cost.
     
  11. TimDuncanDonaut

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    Agree on defense, but one of the latest rumor tweet has Chicago asking two first round picks for him. Might be able to leverage down, but as most cases, teams aren't giving away assets. Two picks is too much.


    Similar to the supposed Collins deal. He's an upgrade as far as Rockets talent, but his contract is not exactly undervalued. That, the injury history and the future team has to guarantee him minutes, which apparently if a team doesn't; he pouts.

    If it was just a straight up deal for KJ and Gordon... maybe? But they're also asking for picks. They get a young KJ on a great contract. They also get Gordon who could help their contention. Their Murray lineup (without Trae) is supposedly bad. Pairing Gordon with Murray, in their staggering 2nd unit might help them. They can also let Gordon walk next year, which frees up some money. So they get the financial flexibility to recover from some of their prior decisions/mistakes.

    If Hawks didn't give all their picks/swaps to the Spurs, they should be offering one to us, instead of asking us to fork them over.

    As far as Rockets/Hawks team trade history they seem to happy with their buy on Capella (at his prime). No buyers remorse. That goodwill (if any) should carry. They should be the one to sweeten the pot. If 3rd teams are involved, picks should be coming here. We're the ones taking on Collin's slightly bloated contract, and have to guarantee him minutes, compensate us
     
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  12. saleem

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    Two firsts are too much for Caruso. We need a PG. Collins isn't needed in Houston.
     
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  13. ApacheWarrior

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    I don't know......if I'm coach do I bust their basketballs while management wants us to
    tank or push trade values of unwanted clutter?

    Yell at them to:
    Set better screens
    Cut better
    Slash better
    Space along the perimeter better
    Set a screen and then screen off the ball
    Run the floor for offensive transition
    Run the floor for defensive transition
    Box out better

    Wouldn't the kids clean up their performance and win more games?

    I would probably let a lot slide until the final 20 games much like last season when
    the Rockets secured one of the worst records.

    Next year our pick goes to the Thunder and then things won't just slide by.

    Silas got after the players in shoot-around recently and the team proceeded to
    win vs Minnesota. If Silas had chewed the players out from week one....
    the team may have hit my projected 34 win total. Goes against tanking.

    Teams like the Raptors are expected to trade possibly OG, Fred VV, Gary Trent Jr,
    and others......isn't that a form of tanking? Members like hakeem94 don't
    understand the dynamics or logistics of contract terms and free agency.

    Teams don't want to loose a player for nothing.....may be using time to
    negotiate like Pacers-Myles Turner just did. If negotiations break down
    teams might bail on the season for draft picks or traded players.
    Still tanking in my opinion (not intending to win as much as they can).
     
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  14. TimDuncanDonaut

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    Between Chicago guards: Alex and Lonzo, Alex might be a safer bet injury history-wise. Even if Lonzo made give better offense. Alex's skill set would be a good fit for HOU, I wouldn't do the two first round picks though. That's lot to give. Unlike OKC we don't have too many as it is.

    My mentioning of Collins was more for the thread title. I'm not for Collins based on the asking price. But maybe not as strong against the idea as others.
     
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  15. Hemingway

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    I think Turner’s extension makes him a more attractive trade target when he becomes eligible. I didn’t want to trade for him and him become a FA in the off-season or overpay him in FA. I’ve been a big proponent of Caruso or Conley whenever we can obtain them, even if we get Scoot. If we can make a reasonable trade for Turner and/or Conley/Caruso in the off-season, we will have a chance to at least make the play-in next year, without materially changing the development of our core youngsters (Sengun, Jabari, Tari, Green). We do need to spend our cap space before the youngsters will require extensions, so these options are pretty good ones.

    Next year rotation assuming KPJ, KJM, Tate, and Gordon are gone
    Conley or Caruso, FRP or Tyty
    Green, Christopher or FA
    Wembi, Jabari, Tari
    Turner,FRP (if Wembi), Jabari, Tari
    Sengun, Turner, Jabari

    Mix and match KPJ, KJM, Tate, Garuba if any are still here after trade
     
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  16. Corrosion

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    I'm with you on not spending big money at the 4.

    With Tari and Jabari it just doesn't make good sense right now - unless Stone is ready to concede that Jabari is a bust and we are not at that point yet. Just have to have some patience ....

    On KJ Martin - He may not have a choice as the Rockets can make him an unrestricted free agent after this season and have the right to match any deal he is given.
    Now if they let him hit free agency next year instead of after this season, he is an unrestricted FA and they have no right to match.

    I think the odds are he is RFA after this season giving them the option to match any offer - Otherwise he's traded between now and next year's trade deadline.
     
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    I remember this dudes name was pretty hot 3-4 years ago. Now Atlanta is having a hard time moving him. How times change.
     
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  18. hlmbasketball

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    I agree 1k% but my only question is, what if we win the lottery and draft Wemby? Where do we play Wemby, Smith, Sengun, Collins and Eason?

    It'll be a good problem to have but the frontcourt will be crowded.

    You could start Wemby, Sengun and Collins and bring Smith and Eason off the bench but you know Smith will be pissed.
     
  19. J.R.

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    John Collins is in the trade rumors every year. Before he got his extension. After he got his extension.

    They can revisit this in the offseason. If he’s traded by the deadline, well, tough ****. :D

    Better off seeing if you can get that other guy in Atlanta. Yeah, him.
     
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  20. Hemingway

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    I’d be willing to give up the Milwaukee pick and a heavily protected Nets pick for him plus salary filler.Once we have our 2023 pick we will have way more inexperienced players than we need and we don’t need any late round frp’s. Caruso would be an ideal fit for our PG woes whether starting or coming of the bench.
     

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