I think he’s ok…would depend on whether we get Wemby or not last 2 years he played in 89 out of a possible 154 games
i'm not sure who we would trade it for and i would lean no, but maybe someone unexpected could become available
Who is the better player than John COllins who is available in this free agency period? The Rockets are projected to have $73 million in available space soon - most in the league (tie with SA). That is nearly enough to absorb John Collins three times over-.
it actually doesn’t Wemby and Sengun will be playing the majority of the starting PF/C minutes yeah, I’m not paying John Collins 25 mil/yr to be our SF Where tf did I say anything about only acquiring “championship players?” make up some weird strawman and then proceeds to argue against it…lol
So how they are playing is a success? Read the comment closer. Future performance is irrelevant to the comment.
You're not paying him anything - it's honestly the greatest con in the world when rich superyacht people get people like you to start worrying about their bank accounts and internalize the cost. Shut up and listen! lol. Anyway, sure, if you're allowed to dreamcast Wembyama not only being on the Rockets, AND Sengun both playing 82 games, I can dreamcast all kinds of other low probability events, like what if Wembyama gets attacked by a horny gazelle who confuses him for a possible mate? What if Sengun suffers and unfortuante Doner Kebab related explosion - folks, we not only need to get John Collins - our literal lives depend on it.
I think Jabari and Green haven't shown anything other than some fluke performances... Sengun and KPJ show something but have flaws they aren't improving much on. I was speaking in generalities. Of course there are exceptions... they are getting blown out too much...
I predicted way back on page 1 this thread would be full of beggars trying to be choosers: You're merely one of dozens of people who have spent all day trying to explain how John Collins is simply not good enough value for...the literal worst team in the NBA which is sitting on most of its cash. This time you invented a magical thinking Wembyama-Sengun 82 games scenario - so points to you for originality.
Relative to most players their age yes except for Sengun, Porter, and maybe Tari in his limited time. Defending chuckers isn't a good look. There are plenty of 20 year old top picks who don't struggle to shoot 40% and aren't soft on defense. I think they could turn it around with better coaching. That's not something you can assume because much of it is on the players and their focus/effort. Coaching only goes so far with knuckleheads. It's not the losing, it is the lack of competitive play...
Turner, Harden, FVV Then you have others who are comparable, Vucevic, Barnes. The Rockets DO NOT project to have 73 million in capspace. As things are now, they have ~37m. They can get up to 55m if they dump Gordon for an expiring. If they went scorched earth, dumped Gordon, Tate, Fernando, Christopher and Garuba for no returned salary, they could get 73m. And free agents are free, they don't cost draft picks and prospects. Sam, I have always liked you as a poster, but you are a bit unhinged on this rebuild. You need to have patience. Short sided moves..."because we are the worst team in the league" are not good moves. We are the worst team in the league by design.
The whole board is a waste of time, it's why we're here. You're mad that I laughed at your dumb pearl clutching "OH NOES WHAT IF WE HAVE TOO MANY SUPERSTARS TO HAVE JOHN COLLINS" scenario - great. Why don't you try to refute it then? I think it's a very low probabilty event and it's not really even a problem. But, you disagree, explain why?
Oh, for god's sake, we can't acquire John Collins because he's not good value because instead we need to save our cap room for...NICOLA VUCEVIC. You start the Nicola Vucevic thread and see what kind of responses you get then man. I'm sure @Reeko would have some deep thoughts about the 100% guaranteed Viktor-Vucevic playing dynamic. Here's what I saw on the cap: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2023/ 2023-24 2. Houston Rockets Projected Practical Cap Space: $72,640,702 In the next season (24-25) that jumps to $143 million. And for the record, the Rockets have enough room that they could probably add John Collins in addition to any of those players you identify.
this is why I can’t take a clown like u seriously your sorry attempt at a rebuttal just littered with useless strawmans that u then try to argue against because u know damn well you’ve got nothing move your weirdo ass along
Classic @Reeko move - I've noticed you start typing "u" when you get snitty, say you're too busy and affect teh "barber shop old head" routine. Meanwhile, you'll be postin' and toastin' all night. Relax, it's just dorks debating hypothetical sports moves on the internet. It's not real life. Breathe.
I am not advocating for Vucevic, you asked who was available. Sportrac assumes you just clear everything you can, so I guess we are just waiving KMJ in the offseason. It also does not account for our draft picks we will have holds for either. 143 million is the ENTIRE cap in that year. We just happen to have zero guaranteed dollars in 24-25, so that number assumes we literally waive every single person on the roster......Jabari, Green, Wemby....literally every single player.
You're dismissing it as though it's an uneducated or cavalier indifference. Mate, "competitive" is NOT the goal. And it's a wholly optional part of the process. It's been argued it's detrimental to the process as often as it's been argued that it's helpful. I am aware, without equivocation, this trade will make the Rockets more competitive in 2023. With that acknowledged - DO NOT WANT. We aren't rebuilding to play for the play-in for the next 5 years.
Which is exactly why worrying about the cap situation is crazy. It's as clean as it gets (and also that's how you ebd up with a historically bad stretch of seasons).
5 years? We need to tank for 5 more years? Lol, ok maybe you think an 8 year rebuild cycle is to be expected - i respectfully disagree and don't think the evidence supports it. Happy to listen otherwise.
