KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

So now that you found some advanced stats that seemingly make KPJ look good, all of a sudden advanced stats are meaningful now? Bias much? LOL you are truly a character.

"Far fewer turnovers" and this can be said about all the terrible PGs out there. If you have too many TOs in relation to how often you are in possession of the ball, you are a BAD playmaker.

 

rumor says Suns may be thinking about a CP3 replacement…I wonder if they’d be open to acquiring a better passer and creator in EG

 

Dude spent the last 6 months railing against math, data, and advanced stats

 

Had some time to think about this and I have an issue with showing these stats as percentiles considering everything in the nba is role based. Just to give an example of what I mean, KPJ is in the 88th percentile in assists per 75 and this post gives him an A- for that. If you look at rebounding per game leaders at nba.com there are 258 qualified players. Out of 258 players the 88th percentile would be the 31st ranked guy. Are we really calling the 31st best rebounder in the league an A-? That’s 8.2 per game, is that a good rebounder? Any center is guaranteed to have a good percentile just because the majority of the players in the nba don’t try to rebound the ball. Seems like a bogus way to analyze this stuff.

I do like that they have a “role adjusted” version of one of these stats and for that one he’s in the 65th percentile, which seems about right, it’s above average. I think KPJ is above average but it’s hard to argue that he’s elite.

I think looking at a percentile ranking outside your role is just going to result in every single player in the league being top 15% or 20% at what they do, simply because most players aren’t doing that same thing. I think anyone who plays point would have A’s down the board with this metric.

 

LOL. Is this "Imma get mine" advanced stats?

 

if this nonsense that bball index twitter account is posting is the type of data the Rockets are using like DD claims, then LOL…no wonder we’re so incompetent

KPJ stans will post anything these days as long as it makes him look good, no matter how stupid it is

if my work had EG as a more versatile and quality passer than Chris Paul, Ivey above Haliburton, and Marcus Smart neighbors with Harden, I wouldn’t even publish it…any FO with 2 brain cells is laughing that sh*t right out the room

 

these are those new aged advanced stats where Russ and Lebron are on a similar plane

Russ



Lebron

 

He's a huge hypocrite. Anything to defend the bum

 

And when the numbers make him look bad…. “Damned lies and statistics” “stats only tell 30% of the story”

 

My son kept me up all night, so I’m too tired to argue today. go right ahead you haters lol

 

What a joke, you guys post stats and they mean the Truth, I post em and.....lol.

LOL - just trying to show you guys some of your own language....

The fact that you are attacking ME and not the message shows that you have already made up your mind and don't have that growth mindset to look at stuff and think.

These are the types of advanced metrics the club is looking at, but if it doesn't suit your narrative then.....they don't matter.

You know what, you don't matter....lol.......and neither do I, what matters is what the club thinks so go on b****ing and moaning and WHINING about how you don't like a Rox player, I am going to just enjoy the growth as it happens.....when it happens....and b**** about Silas.

Still true with what I posted. Yet, you and others think they tell the WHOLE story....so I posted some advanced metrics - and now they don't matter....hypocrite much?

One would think you guys just want to bash a Rocket's player and argue......one would be right.

DD

 

I have never made a claim that numbers tell the whole story. Feel free to prove that statement wrong if you would like.

Have you seen a post by me completely invalidating the numbers you posted in that tweet? No.

Im not in any way familiar with the numbers you posted or how they are calculated. No idea how relevant/substantial they may or may not be. The numbers I tend to look at I have a pretty firm grasp on.

All I have done is point out your hypocrisy. When you like what the advanced numbers say you post them. When you think the advanced numbers are flattering to your boy(even when they aren’t…lol) you post them. When you don’t like what they say you quickly explain them away, discredit them, diminish their relevancy.

You can’t have it both ways.

 

Another DD tactic, playing the victim.

I am calling out YOUR persistent hypocrisy and deceit. YOU are the one that always tries to devalue metrics when they don’t work for the boy you constantly dick ride. Now that you found stats no one knows how they are tracked much less calculated seem to favorably represent your boy, all of a sudden stats mean something and everyone else knows nothing? Yeah, how about you GTOH with that two faced BS?

Also how do YOU know these are the stats the Rockets FO uses? Because they advertise as FO quality (lol)? Because they seem to favor KPJ as a PG? I distinctly remember Morey saying they had to create their own stat tracking and formulas because a lot of what they needed were not being tracked and yet you are so sure these are what the Rockets use? How desperate are you?

 

Boys really out here cosigning some bullshit chart by some dude with too much time on their hands... Roughing the passer, goofy basketball analytic acronyms, and strike zones really killing the Big 3 of sports. And it's only gonna get worse !

 

I don't care what the stats say, I can see with my own eyes what works and what doesn't....I am trying to get a bunch of haters to realize that KPJ is a Rocket and is not due all this nonsense.

DD

 

Time for ignore when people continually argue against the poster and not the conversation. I should have left you on before, but I gave you another chance, but you just like playing hard to like.....so, buh bye!

For the good of the board, you are on ignore, and may I say......Good riddance.

DD

 

What's funny is that's what KPJ "haters" are doing. We see the BS he does on the court and we see that advance metrics backs up the eye test. YOU are the one that chose to rail against and dismiss it all as "hating" while insulting everyone's intelligence when they disagreed with you. Yet we are the haters? I personally don't even want KPJ traded as I believe he has value, just elsewhere other than PG where he is clearly hurting the team. Then when the script gets flipped and people attack you back, they are attacking the poster? Jeez that victim complex is truly hilarious!

Pop meets kettle or rather in this case, pot attempts to berate kettle. Again, YOU are the one constantly attacking people when they were actually posting advance metrics that backed their eye test, claiming everyone else were "simple minded" and didn't understand basketball. Those were just some of YOUR words, so own up to it like a proper adult would.

 

As others have noted these are flawed on many levels:

1- As @harold bingo pointed out, why would you compare a starting guards playmaking to the whole nba? The question is here does he stand among starting guards, regardless of whether the stat correctly measures something or not?

2- @Reeko showed Westbrook's ratings similar to Bron. The problem here is the stats say they measure something, in this case passing versatility, playmaking ability etc. But we don't know how they are measured. Just because they try to measure it, does not mean they can measure it correctly.

3- What kind of a grading system does this BBindex use? KPJ gets A, F, B and A from four measures. And then gets an A+ from another measure that is the average of the four? Other guards who are much better also get A+. Guess all the guards get an A+. Which starting guards do not get A+?

4- Of these 4 stats, he is terrible at 1 of them, which is a different version of assist/to. Bad at passing versatility. The first good (relative to the whole league) stat comes from passing creation volume, which is directly related to dominating the ball, being the only player in the team to be put in a role to make assists and playing a lot of minutes. The other good stat is passing creation quality is a replacement metric over teammates passing, where there are no other guards in the team and no other player is put in a role to make good assists. His stats are not even good or comes from his role, and playing time.

 

TBH, I don't even know what all those stats mean, and how they are calculated. Can someone help me?

 

Lol. Always wrong