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Chapter 4: The Green Revolution

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Oct 16, 2022.

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How many wins will Jalen lead us to?

  1. 20-29 wins

    125 vote(s)
    59.5%
  2. 30-39 wins

    61 vote(s)
    29.0%
  3. 40-49 wins

    11 vote(s)
    5.2%
  4. 50-59 wins

    13 vote(s)
    6.2%
  1. bmelo

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    I know exactly how these type of companies work and I am sad it happened to Rockets. cant believe It happens at this level
     
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  3. subtomic

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    Analytics had nothing to do with the selection of Bowie over Jordan, unless you count their desire to acquire a big man in an era where “common sense” dictated building around a big man as “analytics”.

    And as far as I can tell, analytics played no part in Detroit selecting Darko, with the key fact being that there was almost no data on Darko at all - see here:

    https://ballandorder.substack.com/p/how-the-detroit-pistons-ended-up

    There’s a legit debate to be had over whether Green or Mobley was the better choice at 2 (with analytics being a useful guide) but making up bullshit to downplay analytics doesn’t help you support your side of the argument.
     
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  4. MystikArkitect

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    I wonder if Mobley would be a winner had he been taken over Jalen Green. Wonder what Jalen Green would look like next to Jarrett Allen and Darius Garland.
     
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  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    What do we expect tonight guys? I am hoping for some consistency from Green - and a 50% shooting night.

    DD
     
  6. Clutch City1993

    Clutch City1993 Bury Me In The H

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    Same thing I hope for every night. Great individual play and development but another loss for operation tank mode
     
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    I didn't downplay analytics because If you can comprehend and read basic grammar I clearly stated it was more so hyped up nowadays but was used back then as a slice of the pie but maybe was used more heavily to view the Green/Mobley pick

    Just like 3pt shots were used back then and it went up a notch during Nash led Suns era and has went full apex in today's current era, which I also mention high scoring coming back in fashion which came from the older times

    So analytics is not nothing new, just like blocked shots were not kept track of in earlier days but J Ramsey and his staff use to track opponents blocked shots and said Wilt would get like 20-25 each time they went against him

    When drafting you have to use a variety of scenarios which starts with turning on the game film and breaking down the performance then all else can be combined and used to come to a conclusion
     
  8. Nook

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    Would Mobley be winning a lot of games? Probably not as many as he is in Cleveland. Would he be doing the little things to help win games if he were drafted by the Rockets? Probably, he came into the league doing those things already and it was part of his appeal.
     
  9. subtomic

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    Your explicit claim that Portland or Detroit made their respective picks due to analytics is still bullshit and anyone with a preschool education can see it.

    And shoot, you even claim analytics played a part in the Divac-Kobe trade - that trade was made 100% because Kobe refused to play for Charlotte. Analytics and analytic teams didn’t have a damn thing to do with it.
     
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  10. Ancient Moabite

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    Kobe got drafted to a team that won 50+ games before he arrived and they got prime Shaq in same offseason, so all those alphabet gang numbers should reflect positive for basically all those rotation Lakers players

    Had Kobe showed some steel and went to Charlotte then those alphabet gang numbers probably would have you out on him, though he would have probably avg more than 7ppg his rookie year and second yr 15ppg, but he wouldn't have been no all star starter with his second yr avg
     
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    It was me replying to the analytic post to me, so I posted back saying those others were drafted using analytics as a quasi comedy reply but also truth to it(slice of pie), using Mobley as Bowie and JG4 being Jordan

    And I also asked the one I was replying what did they use to come down to choosing one over the other, so now I turn it over to you to answer since you are so hellbent on analytics with your Kinder-garten troglodyte rant

    And we know it just didn't come down to common sense, because what's common to one, may not be to others

    So it was multiple things that go into play when choosing Bowie over Jordan or a Darko over Wade/Melo or the other better big in Bosh

    Of course Kobe didn't want to play for Charlotte, so did Kobe base it on analytics or common sense that the Lakers were a better traditional franchise(winner), which we know in the NBA circle that was ''common'' to pretty much all those involved

    Its a reason why I said you couldn't comprehend, but you communicate quite well
     
  12. Ancient Moabite

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    You are the type of character to believe that people are so called black/white and would use analytics put out to the masses by bias ignorant experts when in fact has nothing to do with actual pedigree/bloodline and not backed by any scientific evidence and is not a black or white nation on earth with Treaty/Land/Constitution attached to it

    Just like the ones who live in Greenland don't call themselves green people and just like those nations of Asia (minor) don't call themselves yellow people

    But what is common to you may not be common(sense) to those who deal in Erudition, facts
     
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    You’re right - I don’t comprehend a single thing amongst the half-fragments and run-on sentences, other than that you won’t own up to your exact words. If you meant something else, you can’t communicate - at all.
     
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  14. subtomic

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    Sorry - Google Translate doesn’t work on gibberish.
     
  15. Joe Joe

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    Green to let Sengun be the offensive engine. Rockets starters out score the Wiz starters, but Rockets lack of quality playmakers or even KPJ running the team with those two on the bench late 3rd/early fourth makes game either close or the Wiz pull away.
     
  16. Ancient Moabite

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    Sounds like a personal problem, next time just leave it up to those who were originally going back and forth then you won't have to worry about comprehending nor communicating
     
  17. Ancient Moabite

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    Pick up a law dictionary / etymology book and maybe it will help your comprehension and communication table...... good luck and stay thirsty my friend
     
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    That’s not how the “alphabet gang numbers” work. For instance, Sengun is a significant + on the worst team in the NBA.
     
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    Sengun at 8 will look silly in the future. Otherwise accurate.
     

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