Opps ya you're right. So basically Green was just one month younger when he entered the league. For some reason bball ref says he started his rookie season at 20. So that's wrong.
So Garland is a great player for improving year to year? Its tiers of dominant(said great) players, the cream of the crop do it day one, the next tier improve annually and by year 4 is what you see is what you get Green improved his scoring n free throw rate and p&r game, and though he still rushes drives and get blocked it is way better than last season What has Mobley improved at? Or do you give Mobley the credit for the season their backcourt is having? Are you giving Mobley the GM credit? If so then I see why Mobley is your guy, he put it all together Plus he allegedly didn't want to workout(get drafted) for the Rockets, so I guess you being a Rockets fan are really nut hugging and vouching for someone who gave you the middle finger, imagine that
Maybe put the nerd glasses away for a second and let the 20 year old develop. He is averaging more points, he is getting stronger in his finishes at the paint and he is gaining confidence. The advanced metrics don't measure that. Stuff he was getting blocked last year, he is getting over defenders. Yes his shooting is down but thats bc he is taking more difficult contested shots (confidence) that a number 1 needs to take that he wasn't last year. He is not disappearing as much he was last year All those are improvements
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Eli runs the analytics department and was the one who wanted Mobley over Green. Instead they listened to the Memphis guy who drafted Hasheem Thabeet. Eli also was the one who targeted Sengun, thankfully we listened to that at least, except the coaches spent 1.5 years trying to marginalize him until injuries happened.
I’ve consistently said, improvement and trajectory is more important than how good or bad a young player is. Garland improved every single year. Green has stagnated.
Ws/48 was practically 0 last season so “doubling” it from such a tiny base is meaningless. Bpm -2.4 from -2.9 last year and Raptor -3 from -4.3 last year is the very marginal improvement, stagnation I’m talking about. These were horrible numbers last year, which is fine for a rookie as long as they make a leap the next year. These are still horrible numbers this year, the improvement is minimal, there was no leap, that’s why I doubt he will even reach the ceiling I had on him and that was already pretty conservative.
System/coach is the best argument for an optimistic view on why Jalen has stagnated, I can buy that. Except Sengun would be a counter argument to that. There is no player on the team hurt more by system, coach marginalizing and misusing him. Yet, his advanced numbers (the same ones that have gone no where for Green) have all sky rocketed. It shows that great players overcome obstacles and find their way to rise above the muck. With that said, perhaps Jalen just isn’t “great” and that’s too high of an expectation. Maybe he can simply be “good” but not good enough to rise above system and coaching failures.
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what leaps have mobley, or barnes for that matter.. made since last season lol both look like the epitome of stagnation
Mobley has his usage limited due to addition of Donovan, and Barnes took a step back but the last month has gotten back on track. They were already positive winning contributing players by every advanced metrics last year. If they never improve again, doubtful, they will still be solid starters. Green was one of the worst starters in the nba last year, and still is.
Mobley is 6% ts more efficient scoring. Ws/48 went from 0.10 to 0.14. Bpm from +0.6 to +1.2. All while usage decreased instead of increasing like it should for young players (because of Donovan). No he has not taken the leap, but he was already really good for a rookie (a + contributor which is rare) and has continue to improve.
Just for fun, Sengun PER up from 16 to 21, ts% up 7%, ws/48 from 0.07 to 0.15, bpm from -1 to +2. That’s called taking the leap, even though over half the season he was being misused. Imagine his numbers if we ran the offense through him from game 1. He’s actually better than Mobley now by these numbers…
