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Monterey Park Shooting

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Jan 23, 2023.

  1. Amiga

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    I don't think it will be slow and gradual. It will happen quickly one day, not so far into the future.

    NZ banned semi-automatic guns "overnight" in 2019 after the mass shooting by a white supremacist that killed 51 worshippers. 60k semi-automatic guns were bought back within 6M.

    Australia banned semi-automatic and pump-action guns after 35 people were killed with a semi-automatic rifle in 1996. 650k assault weapons were bought back by the gov.

    UK banned almost all guns in 1996 after a gunman killed 16 school children.

    That cultural change is when this young generation grows up and the current gen in power dies off.
     
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  2. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm doubtful it will be a sudden change. I will be happy to be wrong.

    I was just in NZ and Australia and they aren't us. They are similar but their culture is different. They have much smaller populations and while there is diversity of ideological thought it's not as wide ranging as we are. Further while they had firearms, particularly in rural areas. I don't think they ever fetishized firearms like we do and never had the gun culture like we do.
     
  3. tinman

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    Dude remember when I told you humans are violent creatures? It's true. Planet of the Apes was allegory to human kind
    Ape shall not kill Ape never worked

    you are Ceasar breh and I'm Dr Zaius
     
  4. tinman

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    Gun laws didn’t stop this dude
     
  5. Amiga

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    It is because human has the capacity for mass killing that society has smartly decided it’s not going to give everyone the right to an atomic bomb.
     
  6. tinman

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    I told this woke uncultured d&d this
    Dr Zaius was right

    Y’all need to stop hating art and comedy
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    Thomas Hobbes argued that humans were inherently violent and without a state humans would be in a state of nature "red and tooth and claw". If the argument is that humans are inherently violent then the answer would be an overbearing authoritarian state that had a monopoly on force. Hobbes' Leviathan. Or to reference Planet of the Apes Humans only respect force.
     
  8. adoo

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    conter point;

    lack of gun laws didn't stop the Uvalde mass shooting.​
     
  9. Amiga

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    and also inherently non-violent

    society laws, norm, and culture pushes us to non-violence but there are always outliers

    thus, the logical conclusion is to arm everyone to defend against the outliers
    (in a stateless society)
     
  10. tinman

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    https://www.click2houston.com/news/...0-repair-bill-sparked-half-moon-bay-shooting/

    Prosecutor: $100 repair bill sparked Half Moon Bay shooting
     
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    Eventually...sure

    The scary thing now is the ability to 3D print your own gun.
     
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  12. Amiga

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    It is almost as easy and reliable as a DIY gun during the pre-3D printing era.
     
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    My knowledge of this is very limited but my understanding is that the technology is getting better. Homemade / home assembled guns though are already widespread. Reports are the shooter in Monterey park used a home assembled weapon.
     
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    NYT: It's a modified MAC-10 pistol with a homemade suppressor (3d printing not involved).

    3D printing is getting better, but it's still very much niche, and for hobbyists who like to spend many frustrating hours tuning and getting it right (and will never get it absolutely right but good enough for fun). You are basically transforming plastic to shape it which involves all the material and mechanical variables and tolerance. So much so that there are services that 3D print model for you - you give them a model, they print it out, and mail it back to you. At the typical home, what you end up with is not anywhere near reliable enough to trust your life with or to experiment with even. Even just for fun, I would be very hesitant to shoot a bullet with a homemade 3d printed gun and risk my hand (very low chance but still). And yes, a person that is determined to print a 3d gun, and buy all the other necessary accessories (the metal components) can get it done. It's just so hard and not reliable that it's nowhere as "easy" or popular as some believe it is. [And really, if it became such a huge issue in somewhere like the UK where guns are banned, I'm sure the gov can restrict/regulate sales of certain components to make it even harder]
     
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    Yup it wasn’t racial and it wasn’t random.
    The media and the certain people love to do jump to conclusions to fit a narrative
    But this story quickly fell off the map once they found out the real motive.

    Same with the other shooting , dude shot up the dance studio cause he was mad people didn’t like him at the studios he attended
     
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    Again I’ll stress I don’t know much about 3D printing firearms and haven’t done much research. As you’re saying it is the tolerances to deal with the large pressures in the firing chamber that is the problem. I’ve been seeing some stuff in construction circles about 3D printing structural elements that the technology is getting better. It seems possible to me that it could get good enough that you could 3D print something that could handle those type of tolerances.

    Besides 3D printing it does appear there is an issue with firearm kits and kits they modify firearms from semi automatic to fully automatic. Those are also problems that need to be addressed.
     
  18. Amiga

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    I wasn't even touching on the tolerance of the firing chamber :). The tolerance of the material (in size, strength), of the XYZ movement of the printer, of the temperature of the bed so that the plastic material "sticks" to it, of the extruder (melt the plastic and deposit it).... it's a mess. (I have spend way too many hours on 3d printing :( ). All this means is it's not reliable. Add on top of that, plastic is brittle. Even if you get it just right, it probably won't last more than a few rounds (this is why metal parts are needed).

    An article on some of this. https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/what-purpose-do-3d-printed-guns-really-serve/
     
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    It's possible to make firearms with a working chamber and bolt using just a 3D printer and the resin but it would probably handle a couple of firing cycles before the, barrel, chamber and bolt are done. Scary to think about for an assassination attempt to go through metal detectors.
     
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    I thought you were talking about whether a 3D printed material can handle the stress of a firing chamber. Which I’ve heard is an issue.

    While most 3D printers use plastic or some material very similar there are 3D printers that use metal and other high strength material.
     

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