I guess man. I don't see it as unreasonable to be disappointed by Green this year due to his performance overall (it's unreasonable to be disappointed by his fingernails, for example), even after last night. I still have lowered my expectations from last year to this year, but, if he puts together good performances and gets better at making the right play (case in point he had a quick pass assist to Matthews for a corner 3 that was within the flow of the offense and required no ball stopping or dribbling - first time i remember that kind of a pass from him this year) - I'm more than willing to adjust them back upwards.
I went back n forth up til draft day on the two and was basically a coin toss because if you wanted tall defender you roll with Mobley, if you wanted opposite you roll with Green, easy choice depending which side you value more Plus since its a biz you are trying to put butts in seats and sell merchandise which probably favored JG4 as well, so once again your lower-self ego clouds your judgement Its like me saying the only people who wanted Mobley were old school 60's and 90s defensive like minded viewers The reason why the NBA had to merge with the ABA was because the latter was more entertaining/flashier (YouTube highlights) I get the cliche Def wins ships, but also at the end of the day the team who scores(Off) the most points wins the game
wrong. I would much rather be wrong, since that would mean the Rockets made the right choice with their pick. All that has to happen is for Green to…play well. I’m not the one making him one of the least efficient and worse defending players in the league, he’s doing that all on his own. Mobley, Barnes, Wagner, Giddey, that was such a deep draft that you could have closed your eyes and hit, you would actually have to try to miss yet here we are.
Barnes scores less on worse efficiency. Giddey scores less on the same efficiency and with less self created makes which means his shot profile is easier. Wagner has 2 years of top D1 program experience before the NBA. His game is more refined at this point. Mobley has a unassisted fgm rate of God damn Clint Capella. He doesn't create his own offense hardly at all. On a team on a full rebuild where we don't even have a go to scorer, Green is the obvious selection. My goodness could you imagine how bad it would be for Mobley who doesn't create his own offense to find clean looks here with this roster and KPJ running point? My god. Your arguments for who is better is so vapid and devoid of context. You probably looked at Scottie Barnes Fg% and thought he was more efficient didn't you?
Are any of those players you named actually sure fire franchise players and do you see them down the road winning a league MVP? The draft itself is a hit or miss, but to judge a miss on a full season is really closing your eyes and missing If you exchange any 4 of those players with Green the Rockets would still be in the Wemby/Henderson sweepstakes, and you would still find something to complain about as being the coach/front office failing your preferred choice
Hypothetically if Jabari was drafted to the Cavs instead of Mobley, how good do you think Jabari would be now on terms of scoring efficiency?
One player turned their franchise around and is a dpoy candidate, winning player. The other hurts his team on both sides of the ball, offense and defense. No man, it wasn’t just preference, there was a right choice and Green wasn’t it. I didn’t argue about this after we made the pick, only before. After the draft I just wanted to support him since he was a rocket. Until that 0-11 game when it was crystal clear we made a horrible mistake. Now it is year two and with zero improvement it is now more obvious than ever. I don’t care that I was right, I’m disappointed that I am. People like you are so worried about proving others wrong that you are ignoring reality.
Turned his franchise around? Not one of the best up and coming pgs in Garland getting a year older and adding...check notes.... Donavan Mitchell? Can you imagine how much our defense would improve with Jarret Allen manning the paint?
Yes, they literally added no one except Mobley last year. Only after turning the team around were they able to attract stars like Mitchell. Guess who wants to come play with Green? No one.
Another thing. A big man prospect coming in as an elite defensive prospect is always going to be more ready to contribute to winning. Hypothetically who is going to help a team win more, a second year Kobe or second year Mobley? It's going to be Mobley. Young guards who's calling card is scoring will always take longer to make their talent of being a focal point offensive player actually contribute to winning.
I think it is fair to be both disappointed in Green this year but still high on where he will ultimately end up. Too many of y’all worry about just being on only one side of a line that doesn’t exist. Every team in the NBA would have taken Green or Mobley at #2. Green and Jabari share something in common and it is that they are extremely physically under-developed. This can be seen as a negative and it certainly hurts them now. However, it can also be a positive in that once they grow into their bodies and their final forms they have an added element of potential. Both players will end up as good shooters. Green has a longer road both because of his inconsistent shooting mechanics and the fact that his launch for his jump shot also lacks consistency he has a tendency to drift or lean. But these are symptoms of him being physically under developed and this is what happens as you work on your strengths levels as a professional athlete. I think about 95% of the board is extremely short sighted in regards to the length of this process. We need to wait on these guys to be 23 or 24 before going mental over their inconsistencies. shoot, I don’t even worry about the fact that Green has regressed a little bit. I blame that more on the environment than anything. He is still improved, it is just harder to see. He probably is not always doing enough for himself to shine through some of the bullshit, but the organization is not helping him either. A
If someone is going to say someone is better you damn well bet I'm going to bring up that player SCORES LESS ON WORSE EFFICIENCY.
The biggest difference last year for the Cavs that contributed to winning was the one year added development of Garland. Finally having a competent above average offensive hub pg was far more important to their increased winning.
Ya last year was Garland's big jump. The common third year elite guard prospect jump that happens for guards who become stars. It's typically their third year when they "get it".
