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KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DasouthDakota, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. peleincubus

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    You are flat out wrong. I will bet you anything you like that Green will have a better career than KPJ stats wise, winning, total career earnings.
     
  2. King1

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    No team would trade for KPJ. That's why Cleveland literally gave him to us. He's a selfish cancer who hinders everyone's development so he can get his stats
     
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  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    That is all you got - YOU ARE FLAT OUT WRONG....lol well reasoned sir, I mean with an argument like that.....lol

    It is ok to disagree my friend....it won't hurt anyone.

    DD
     
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  4. peleincubus

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    I typed that at a stop light. I'll formulate my thesis statement soon. Seriously though your hot takes are of legend here. I get it you can take the heat and I presume enjoy the attention at this point.

    If you took all 30 GM's past one's like Jerry West/Riley/etc they would prefer Green. I bet it would not even be close. Also, the bet stands as well.
     
  5. AlperenSengun

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    A very strong case for KPJ to have a bench role. You take out the player that gets most minutes, most touches, most dribbles, most decision making, most assists, second most shots, second most points and put your center to playmaking and your net rating goes up from -9.1 to -3.8. That is insane!!! And that new unit had no practice of doing this, while KPJ had his system going for himself for more a year and a half.

    You should be stupid to install KPJ back to the first unit as before after seeing these numbers.
     
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  6. DaDakota

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    WRONG, someone has never taken statistics class I see. What that shows is that when KPJ is out, some of the stronger bench players are forced to start, and it weakens our bench further, but while KPJ is in, we actually have a fairly strong bench.

    That is how this all works, you have to understand all the variables....and I knew someone was going to take that bait and post that take....lol....

    Now don't worry Alpi - your guy will still be the focus now......and he will have better players to pass to....which gives him more space to work.

    DD
     
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  7. DreamShook

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    this man DD is KPJ's uncle for sure.
     
  8. harold bingo

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    That's one interpretation, though not the one I would take. We currently don't have any data with Sengun running the offense with KPJ in, and I suspect we may even have a positive net rating with our starters if we did that. Additionally I think we should probably stagger KPJ/Sengun, I don't know the optimal way to do it but I think we should have one of them out there at all times to run the offense. I think KPJ is the key to not getting killed while Sengun sits. It's probably best to optimize the Sengun minutes with strong defenders to make up for his deficiencies, and also guys who cut, I'm thinking Tari+KMJ lineups. Without KPJ, Sengun and KMJ have a +4.2 net rating together in 304 minutes, which is pretty substantial, and if you add Tari to the mix it's +17.6 net rating in 132 minutes. Then let KPJ play his minutes with Bruno at the 5. KPJ and Bruno are only -2.2 for the year and adding in Eric Gordon it goes up to +10.8.

    Rotations are a really tough puzzle honestly, really really tough. I'm sure they have reasons for doing whatever it is they're doing and I'm just a fan who watches the games, mostly while drinking and yelling at the TV. We have a lot of duos/trios that work really well together, some of our guys have good synergy and some of them do not. And by the way, all this goes away if they're not even trying to win, which it doesn't seem like they are. But oh well, it's fun to talk about.
     
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  9. DatRocketFan

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    Factor in that these guys without head honcho are doing this on the fly. We wasted 1.5 season with the kpj pg experiment just for the sengun offense to do better without a pg.

    I think if we spent 1.5 season on making sengun the offensive hub imagine how much better we could have been. Defense is always an issue of course but dam team wouldn't b dead last that's for sure if the squad played around sengun from the start.

    Kpj scoring Is needed though, a lot of people wanted him to come of the bench cause our bench is pathetic
     
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  10. AlperenSengun

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    When kpj is in, we have a stronger bench of course because when he is out, one of the bench players is moved to the first unit. More importantly we have an unbalanced starting 5 and bench. It is not just a bench issue, the starting five creates enough easily without having kpj. Bench and starters must be mixed. Moving KPJ to the bench is an ideal way to do it. You could try moving gordon or green as well. My choice would be kpj.

    PS: I have a phd in probability and statistics from a top 25 american university and have done research, teaching for years before switching to corporate.
     
  11. King1

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    You're wasting your time. He'll make up anything to support KPJ. He literally had "KPJ warrior " under his name but had the nerve to bash Sengun fans. He's rooting for trash while you're rooting for class. If you read the board everyone says the same about KPJ except his 6 delusional fans who if you look at post history are always wrong
     
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  12. DatRocketFan

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    Green needs sengun or a competent pg to shine. Literally everybody plays better alongside sengun. Kpj has issue playing with sengun hence y silas started Bruno over sengun. Knowing just that if we are running the sengun offense, u send the guys with least synergy to run the offense from the bench which is kpj. U can stagger kpj and sengun but don't start both of them.
     
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  13. DaDakota

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    Well then you should be better....lol



    DD
     
  14. AlperenSengun

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    See my answer to DD. I am along the same lines. I don't believe in KPJ playing together with sengun will result in something good though. KPJ cannot even run a pnr with sengun, dribbles to the foul line completely killing sengun's action. theoretically possible but not with this coaching, and to be seen with another coach, but still not likely in my opinion due to KPJ's character.

    My interpretation is not that KPJ is the only reason why those numbers turn out like that. The mixing of defensive and offensive units is a must. And taking kpj off gives balance to the starting 5 without hurting its offensive production.
     
  15. DatRocketFan

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    Pffft silas is a dumb@$$. Man got straight up asked if sengun should b utilized mote on offense when head honcho comes back and he only says probably? It should b a resounding yes not just probably.

    Dude is like double d, head so far up kpj a$$ to think straight.
     
  16. kubli9

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    You can tell he's annoyed. He either chose the wrong hill to die on with KPJ or Stone tied his hands.
     
  17. MystikArkitect

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    The only thing I've seen as unusual as the Rockets seemingly forcing KPj to be a thing was the way Game of Thrones ended. Sooner or later the truth will come out but as it stands....very very bizarre.
     
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  18. peleincubus

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    Based on this draft I would say it was to put a square peg in a hole and see if it would eventually fit. To pump his stats and increase his value for a trade. To lose more.

    Regarding the draft part I would say there is (based on where the rockets end up and the pool of players in the "top 10") that there is a 50% chance or better they draft a guard.

    You have Victor/Cam Whitmore/ Brandon Miller/ as possibilities to slot in at C/SF+

    Then Thompson & Thompson, Scoot, Anthony Black = (7 total players)

    With Walker/GG Jackson as PF's I don't think they would go in that direction.

    If they end with a small forward... What can you get in a trade for KPJ, Martin or Eason, TyTy or Christopher, Nets picks, Bucks pick

    Well I presume a really good player or another very high draft pick this year

    So you could end up with something like

    Anthony Black or Scoot Henderson
    Jalen Green
    Brandon Miller or Cam Whitmore
    Jabari Smith
    Sengun or Victor W

    Sign and/or trade for some vets

    Guard vet Jrue Holiday or Mike Connely or Fred Van Fleet or James Harden with Patrick Beverley

    Wing player vet

    Center vet
     
  19. DaDakota

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    Wrong again, man, strike 2, about 10 games ago they moved Sengun to the Wing on the PNR like they get with Jalen and lo and behold KPJ and Sengun hit it off, one game they had 4 assists between them both.

    KPJ can play with Sengun quite well, let's see how it goes.

    DD
     
  20. MystikArkitect

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    Outside of landing Scoot I don't think this team can wait for a PG project to pan out. Tari is looking less and less like a viable starter to me and more of a bench spark plug. He thrives in chaotic situations so playing 2nd units seems like where he's going to excel. Whitmore/Walker/Miller at the 3 and trading/signing a PG is paramount unless of course we get a Top 2 pick. I do not think Amen is draftable here because if people are impatient with Jabari/Jalen....they'll be straight up suicidal with Amen Thompson.

    Rockets need contributors and need players that can play around Sengun. I like FVV with TyTy as a backup. FVV/Green/Jabari/Wemby/Sengun or FVV/Green/Miller/Jabari/Sengun.
     
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