KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Yeah man I get all that, you don't need to explain it to me. I took it all into account and still don't agree.

 

I hear what you’re saying. I posted something similar in another thread.

We aren’t necessarily a better team without KPJ. What we’re missing most is his scoring ability. For all his faults, he’s still giving us near 20 ppg. Without his contribution, his teammates have to play out of their minds to make up for those 20 points. As we see last night it took a new career high from Green to squeeze out a rare win.

It’s not sustainable by any means however. If KPJ is out for extended period of time, I fully expect more losses to pile up.

But I ask myself this: is KPJ’s 20 points and maybe couple of more wins here and there worth more than others young players’ development?

Without KPJ, Green Sengun and Jabari all had career nights and saw big jump in their production. Do we want the same pre-injury KPJ back to mess that up?

Like everyone else said, if KPJ comes back with a changed attitude and reduced role, I’d more than welcome him. But otherwise I think we’re better off without him in the long run.

 

Up to the coaches to direct him to play through Sengun right? So why are people hating on the guy who is just doing what the org has asked him to do.

Let's not forget at 20 years old he dropped a 50 spot as a SG, and then willingly moved to PG when asked.....and now people are ******** ON HIM for doing what he is asked.

It is unreal the divisive nature - people have to have a scapegoat when we suck, last year it was Christian Wood this year KPJ, who will it be next year or the year after when we still suck?

DD

 

Let's trade Green while his value is high.

 

@harold bingo

Thinking KPJ is a net positive and the team is better playing him rather than JC or TyTy is not contradictory with wanting to reduce his role and minutes. He might be a positive(maybe) but he is standing in the way of other players being positives and improving. Playing him in his current role with his current minutes only makes sense you see him develop into a player that would play that position for the future and he will be very good at it. Because you sacrifice so much for it. And it is much more apparent the last few games.

 

Totally agree.

 

Pathetic Lakers are playing well. Beat Memphis and Portland, lost close games to the Mavs and Sixers.

 

I hope that those of you using this out of context know that it is about Asset and roster management.

I don't particularly WANT to trade anyone, but I do enjoy discussions about how to make the team better, and until we have a DUDE, everyone is tradeable.

Even some of you guys WUBBIES!

It isn't like some GOTCHA when you post it, because it is 100% right and accurate - and smart to be thinking about.

The problem here is that most people get blinded by their fandom and can't think outside the box about it...and they are desperate to get noticed with a gotcha......YAWN.

DD

 

this team goes from trash without KPJ to trash with KPJ

they had lost 18 of their last 19 games before last night’s win…they were worst in the league last year, and again this year with him playing most of the games

however, we see what is happening with him out…faster pace, more passing, more ball movement, and Sengun/Green playing significantly better

Rockets replace KPJ with someone who isn’t a mediocre scorer and playmaker while holding the ball like he’s a star, and they’d be much better off

KPJ is like a chinese restaurant having spaghetti on the menu…not needed, unnecessary, needs to be replaced, and won’t be missed when it’s gone

 

He's not going to accept. He's basically a petulant child. He doesn't care about winning he just wants to be the "head honcho" and pad is stats. That's why he got run out of every place he's been and nobody wanted him outside of our terrible organization. To make matters worse we have the worst coach in the NBA. He's so close with KPJ because they are both losers and are content with that. Both need to go. If this team wants any chance of winning, they have to build around Alpi.

 

All you do is make excuses for KPJ who is absolutely worthless

 

You keep trying to talk about asset and roster management but there is no executive out there that would consider trading Green, much less over KPJ. Meanwhile, there is not an executive out there that would blink at trading KPJ instead of Green if it came down to having to get rid of one of the two players.

 

That is literally their job doofus, they are always looking to trade - if someone that is better becomes disgruntled you look at trading to get them.

No one should be attached to ANYONE on this team until a course is set....they could all be traded.

What if OKC offered Chet for Sengun, would ya?

As for KPJ he is literally about the same production as Green - especially as an off guard and is cheaper so........yeah, there are a lot of folks that would do that.....

It is how we got Harden, BTW.

DD

 

Hell ya to chet for sengun, and LOL to “a lot of folks would do that”, as in trade jalen over kpj

 

You are correct in that it is there job. Most of them are smart and therefore wouldn't trade Green over KPJ. They would all dump KPJ in heart beat if it came down to choosing between the 2.

I would not swap Chet for Sengun. I never wanted Chet to begin with. If Smith was taken at 2, I would have wanted the Rockets to pick Ivey.

"As for KPJ he is literally about the same production as Green - especially as an off guard and is cheaper so........yeah, there are a lot of folks that would do that....."
Yeah, literally no GM is pining for KPJ. That's why he ended up with a contract that allows for him to be cut at any given time.

 

If a team believed that as SGs, both KPJ and Green are about equal in production ( I think KPJ is actually better) then of course they would......

KPJ is a better defender, overall shooter, has better handles, can use either hand and is a better passer - Green is quicker, can jump higher and what else?

Green has some great scoring games, but I would argue that if KPJ was playing the same role he would be doing the same, based upon him having that 50 when he was only 20.....

Back then everyone loved his upside, and they respected that he is willing to sacrifice his game to move to PG to help the team.

How soon fans forget.

DD

 

As I usually tend to do, I went to look up some stats to see if they backed up my eye test, and for the most part they do. Main takeaways here are that the offense is way better when Sengun is the hub, but the defense gets worse. The team is better when KPJ is in, because the non Sengun minutes result in the team getting absolutely destroyed. KPJ being in the lineup helps this a lot.

Last 7 games (Alp running offense, KPJ out)
ORTG Alp on: 118.8
DRTG Alp on: 122.6
NET RTG Alp on: -3.8

ORTG Alp off: 96.7
DRTG Alp off: 126.6
NET RTG Alp off: -29.9

HOU ORTG: 112.2
HOU DRTG: 123.8
HOU NET RTG: -11.6

First 40 games (KPJ running offense)
ORTG KPJ on: 111.2
DRTG KPJ on: 120.3
NET RTG KPJ on: -9.1

ORTG KPJ off: 106.9
DRTG KPJ off: 109.6
NET RTG KPJ off: -2.7

HOU ORTG: 109.9
HOU DRTG: 117.1
HOU NET RTG: -7.2

 

you do know that kpj is 2 years older and has 2 more years of experience right? Jalen also as a 19 year old rookie was more efficient then any of KPJ's 4 seasons, though he has been less efficient this year. If the rockets tried to trade kpj at the deadline, do you think any team would offer any 1st? Cause even you would admit you could easily get a 1st (probably multiple) for Jalen.....

 

I don't care what KPJ would bring - the market on him is skewed as you well know.

His production is all I care about, and he is the more skilled of the two.

I will cheer for both and if either is moved, I will not be bothered, and still root for the Rockets.....

This is not surprising...well said sir.

DD