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  1. fchowd0311

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    Of America. Let's say roughly 48% of the country supports the GOP. 3/5ths of the GOP believe stuff like the last election was rigged.
     
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  2. basso

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    and 30% of America, ~100M people, are a fringe group?
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    That's why we are in a scary time.
     
  4. basso

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    yes, math illiteracy is frightening.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    Nice attempt at trying to flip the script. Dude I'm surrounded by FoxNews Trumpers in my life, and I see the content they share, and discuss. I also occasionally torture myself by seeing what FoxNews is talking about every once in awhile.

    If you are sitting here with a straight face trying to sell me on this notion that the right wing media machine (IE FoxNews, etc.) is not 95% focused on the most salacious parts of this and every anti-liberal story they comment on... I have a bridge to sell you.

    I just now went to Fox News' website now and for evidence the very first tag line has the word RAPE in it.

    https://www.foxnews.com/

    If you are seeing intellectual policy driven media coming from the right than you must be on another planet... or maybe you are just trying to lazily flip the script as a debate tactic... which is par for the course with you guys. You guys act like 8 year olds on the playground who just shout back "no you are stupid" because you have nothing to say otherwise of relevance.

    The American right wing media is obsessed with Hunter Biden for nothing more than salacious got you gossip. They don't care about foreign policy, or governmental disclosures, or whatever... it's the same BS you guys have been obsessed with since the Newt Gingrich days. In the end.... IT A DICK PICKS story to you guys just as Clinton was a BJ story.
     
  6. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Can you share some of these right wing stories about how the important part of the Hunter Biden laptop scandal is his dick pics?
    Lawsuit seeks FBI records on censoring Post's Hunter Biden laptop stories (nypost.com) - the right wing NY Post
    Hunter Biden laptop-denier now admits emails are real. Don't let him get away with it | Fox News - right wing Fox News
    The GOP Stupid Caucus Is Horny For Hunter Biden Dick Pics | Crooks and Liars - "right wing" Crooks and Liars
    We Need To Talk About The Changing Office Landscape. The GOP Would Rather Talk About Hunter Biden's Dick. - Wonkette ultra "right wing" Wonkette
    Republicans In State Of Fevered Tumescence Over Hunter Biden Dick Pics - Above the LawAbove the Law - "right wing" Above the Law
    No, You Do Not Have a Constitutional Right to Post Hunter Biden’s Dick Pic on Twitter - The Bulwark - "right win" The Bulwark

    It sure seems like the right wing was trying to focus on dick pics. Don't know how I missed that.
     
  7. tinman

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    Math, art and biology are being attacked by the woke lunatics

    And if you throw in the Lin fans , the game of basketball
     
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  8. dobro1229

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    I literally just gave you an example about how the right is obsessed with salacious nonsense and you come back acting as though your tribe is some mythical unicorn intellectuals.

    You know your party and its media is obsessed with sex. Everything you guys whine and make a story out of is somehow about sex.

    -LGBTQ hate stories
    -abortion
    -pedo conspiracies
    -Sex trafficking
    -sex education
    -etc etc

    it’s all you people talk about when it comes to politics. It’s always about sex.

    So go play your games elsewhere. You are convincing nobody that for actually the American right wing is the arm of America concerned about the real wonky policy issues. You’re not going to Ben Shapiro your way out of this one.

    The Hunter Biden story for you guys is at its core a dick pics story no matter how you want to cherry pick talking points about it. We know you guys do not care about the policy issues and really are just obsessed with the salacious nonsense.
     
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  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    My tribe is the libertarians. We could not care less what people do with their dicks, outside of forcing them on others.
    Again, my party doesn't say much about sex beyond things like prostitution should be legalized.
    LGBTQ stories in politics are generally about either access (transgender access to restrooms, for example) or impact on children (things like drag shows at schools). I don't really care much about either. Best policy to me would be let people use whatever bathroom they want and leave what kids are exposed to up to their parents.

    Abortion is not at all about sex to me. It is about murder.

    The only pedo conspiracy I am aware of is pizzagate, and only a lunatic fringe thinks Hilary Clinton was running a basement child sex slave ring in a pizza parlor. The real thing was Epstein island, and they killed him and covered up his client book. Prominent people of all political stripes seemed to be involved.

    Sex trafficking is a terrible issue in the world, and it relates to slavery. Everyone should care about it as much as any global issue and be opposed to it.

    Sex ed should be the same as any other educational issue. Again, leave the decision of what kids are exposed to up to the parents.
    I mostly talk about taxes and size of government.
    I provided the top article results I could find. On the right, the Hunter Biden story is about corruption. On the left, the Hunter Biden story is about making it about dick picks on the right, exactly as you are doing here. Maybe some of you are stupid enough to believe the talking points that the right cares about Hunter's hog and not the kickbacks to "the big guy".
     
  10. dobro1229

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    Im talking about the larger media narratives from the American right. Not you personally since it’s established you are someone more like Ben Shapiro who spends 99% of your time criticizing Democrats but tries to separate yourself from the right wing because of a technically of being libertarian even though you’ll be voting the same in the end because whether it’s a libertarian like
    Rand Paul or just a right wing Trumper nut like MTG, the fact is they are partners in the end because they both see Democratic agendas as existential threat.

    So I get that you and Ben Shapiro and Rand Paul want to separate yourself intellectually, but because you are tied to the hip now with the MAGA agenda, people aren’t going to give you the stature of being somehow above MAGA nuttiness.

    Maybe you are the one person in America that is a Ben Shapiro, Ayan Rand Libertarian that doesn’t in the end vote in a way that puts people like Trump in office, but I suspect if you do not directly vote for people like Trump, it’s because you live in a district where your vote doesn’t swing power. Because if we know anything about the so-called Libertarians, your belief that liberalism is the existential threat it is means if your vote for libertarian swung an election to the Democrat, we all know the decision you are making 8 days a week.

    So that’s why folks here and elsewhere are going to give you that statue and intellectual elevation you are seeking. I hope in the near future you guys do find some sort of home in the middle or whatnot but right now people understand the guilt by association or guilt by partnership. The one elected official your “3rd party” has in office always tries to argue as though he’s some independent thinker only concerned with economic issues etc. and in the end always votes MAGA.

    So sorry but it’s gonna be harder than that to separate yourself from the salacious sex obsessed MAGA right nuttiness. I hope one day in the future there is some sort of intellectually curious wing of the American right that has the credibility to argue in good faith, but unfortunately that time isn’t now.

    On the right… it’s a dick pick story in the end.
     
  11. basso

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    the first four are not about sex at all.
     
  12. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yes, libertarians and Republicans both oppose Democrats. No, that doesn't mean they have the same agenda.
    Maybe. It would probably depend on the individual candidates.
    We aren't really in the middle. We tend to be more extreme than both major parties, but more extreme than the Dems on some issues (like drugs) and more extreme than the Reps on some issues (like taxes).
    Not really, because we don't really care about sex issues very much.
    That is certainly your unsupported assertion, yes.
     
  13. dobro1229

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    They are literally about sex. Sexual orientation, sexual procreation, non consensual sex, consensual sex you don't approve of, abusive sex, violent sex, etc. etc.

    It is ALL about sex in the end. Just because you are trying to control someone else's sexual behaviors doesn't mean that you aren't obsessed with sex. It's just you are obsessed with controlling it... like the fundamentalists always do in any culture. Obsess over controlling it... but it's still obsessing over sex in the end.

    There's nothing wrong with wanting to protect minors, protect from abuse, etc..... those are all good things good people agree with doing.... it's just that every single damn issue that the right wing media wants to go crazy over (minus racial grievance.... which also can be about sex too of course) is about everyone's sex lives.

    It's F-ing weird.

    I just clicked on FoxNews.com again and low and behold.... first story I see is one about a Teacher having explicit video chats with a student. FoxNews wouldn't be obsessed with sex stories if folks from your tribe weren't clicking them.
     
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    Without evidence of quid pro quo it is just dick pics. Hunter is sleazy and made money off his fathers name, but I haven't seen any evidence that Joe got anything or passed any legislation that favored Hunter's clients/employers.

    Meanwhile, Jared Kushner, who worked in the government, possibly gave classified intel to Saudi Arabia that led to a purge and got rewarded with an undeserved $2 billion hedge fund investment.
     
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    "You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables."

    Yep. She limited it.
     
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    Only half of the country voted in 2020, so ~15% of the country could be considered "fringe" for believing lies about the election in spite of all evidence.
     
  17. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    So, deflection and redirection to dick pics by a Biden supporter. Yep, it is the right making it about Hunter's dick pics. @dobro1229 was right all along.
     
  18. dobro1229

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    Haha. Says the guy who selectively deleted the second half of that post.

    Nobody here on the left or the middle thinks they are getting constructive and fair debate from you on this or anything else. You just haven't proven that your are serious about engaging in good faith. Trying to throw a magic wand in front of my face to say "Oh no.. .the right wing media world isn't at all reflective in reality of the evidence you just showed... its really THE DEMOCRATS who are to the real villains here" just isn't going to work.

    Please stop trying to engage us as though we are stupid.

    The fact is, the right wing media traffics the Hunter Biden story as one that promises salacious expose. It has never been a story about what you are trying to make believe it is. In the end it's mostly National Inquirer garbage, and the information is likely stolen (or given to a private store owner who violated his customers privacy), and has touched the hands of bad actors before going through proper law enforcement officials.
    The fact that the store owner didn't go to the FBI with this, and instead gave it to freaking Rudy Giuliani tells you all you need to know. He didn't go to the FBI because it was always viewed as salacious garbage meant to politically drive the news cycle with innuendo, and conspiracy theory.

    Back to the question that you scrubbed from your reply:

    Since you are so concerned with nepotism, corruption, and quid pro quo with bad foreign actors, how many posts have you written in outrage over Kushner getting TWO BILLION DOLLARS directly from the Saudi Government???
     
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  19. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I have already said that Kushner was doing the same thing as Hunter at 10 times the scale, why would I need to include that half?
    I posted 7 articles about the Hunter Biden story, three from the right (all of which talked about corruption) and four from the left (all of which talked about how the right is obsessed with Hunter Biden dick picks). It isn't a magic wand, it is evidence.
    I don't think you're stupid, I think you are disingenuous.
    See above. Also, the store owner did go to the FBI (through his father) in July 2019. The FBI turned him away. The FBI then reapproached in October 2019, at which point he turned over the original computer and hard drive. In February through July 2020, he approached several members of congress about turning over a copy of the computer/hard drive and got no response. It wasn't until September of 2020 that he turned them over to Giuliani. So more than a year passed between when he approached the FBI and when he went to Giuliani, about 10 months the FBI had the laptop and sat on it. The facts don't fit your narrative.
    All my comments on the Kushner issue have been that he is managing 2 billion dollars, it was not given to him, but that he stands to get about 25 million per year in management fees which looks like corruption. That is also bad. Kushner's deal wasn't ignored for a year and then had his supporters claiming the outrage was about his dick, instead the media covered it as though he was given a gift of two billion dollars, so there isn't much else to comment about it. There are obvious parallels between the two stories (corruption) and there are stark differences in the coverage (covering for/deflecting on Biden, exaggerating on Kushner). I think both Trump and Biden are corrupt, as are most politicians. Everyone seems to come out of Washington with a lot more than their salary suggests they should have.
     
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    @StupidMoniker, if the dick pic debate is behind us, what is your concern with the Hunter Biden laptop? The last time I went down this rabbit hole was with a MAGA poster and all I found was innuendo and no substantiated corruption. From what I looked at, the laptop story seems to take readers who pursue it into some labyrinthine reasoning, asking people to rely on assumptions and suspicions and accept supplemental evidence that would itself need its own vetting -- or else, just throw up your hands and accept that someone else already did the work and you should just trust and believe. But again, I was reading Trumper stuff and maybe you have a different lens. What should I be concerned about in the laptop story?
     
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