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Kamala is no joke; will vote for her again

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    I see your added this.
    That link doesn't say that. it does says this:
    " but, rather, indicates that the State is not providing sufficient safety oversight to ensure the effective implementation of applicable ICAO Standards."
     
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    I will be voting for Biden if DeSantis is the GOP nominee. I don’t want a Florida man turning the rest of the country into a Florida cesspool.

    I will be voting for Trump if Trump is the GOP nominee. I always root for the underdog, especially one that has been cheated.
     
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  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Why would my solution for business owners to get vagrants out from in front of their stores address homelessness or vagrancy. I was addressing the specific issue of business owners and homeless in front of their stores. The solution to homelessness and vagrancy is reduction of barriers to new building and reimplementation of vagrancy laws.
    Yes. You just confused yourself. Libertarianism is about lack of compulsion. We are all about people contracting to do jobs.
    I brought up private subscription fire departments as an alternative to government funded fire departments, and then as an aside pointed out that the vast majority of firefighters are volunteers that don't require government funding anyway. For some reason, you thought that meant libertarianism depends on unpaid labor (even though the current, non-libertarian system is the one depending on unpaid labor), and directed your argument in that direction.
    When the MPD said they were under siege and couldn't respond, did you see DirectTV and Dish Network brawling in the street over customers?
    Southwest cancelled tons of flights because they had a lot of no shows in their personnel and because they have outdated IT and these factors didn't allow them to adjust well to inclement weather. It was not a regulatory issue, their business model just wasn't optimal for the situation. Their model works well in other situations. I imagine they will update their IT, possibly change their mandatory overtime practices, and increase ticket prices to cover the costs. Businesses adapt or die (or they are supposed to when the government doesn't bail them out).
    Who said anything about corporation's interests coinciding with societal interests? The whole point of libertarianism is that everyone looks out for their own interests.
    And?
    What does any of that have to do with cars crashing into buildings?
    That things can be used for something doesn't make it that thing. Computers can be used to commit fraud, but they aren't fraud machines. Mops can be used to kill people, but they aren't weapons. In their current configuration, roads generally, and the interstate highway system in particular are commercial arteries. They should be treated as such and funded by the users, not by taxes.
    Almost all laws are unfunded mandates. You are required to feed your children, but the government doesn't give you the money to feed your children. Regulation doesn't imply funding.
    Ultimately it is unknowable. You just can't really compare the worst economic conditions in US history to now and say a change in homeless policy is responsible for the reduction in homelessness. Why not compare to the 1910s or 1920s, also at a time of more libertarian policies, but not during the depression?
    They are not allowed to have private security do anything about the homeless. Look at the guy who is being charged for spraying the homeless person in front of his store with a hose. Do you think it would have gone better for him if he hired goons to move her along? The law favors the homeless.
     
  4. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    You just picked that quote completely out of context, right in the middle of a sentence. The full quote is "A significant safety concern (SSC) does not necessarily indicate a particular safety deficiency in the air navigation service providers, airlines (air operators), aircraft or aerodrome; but, rather, indicates that the State is not providing sufficient safety oversight to ensure the effective implementation of applicable ICAO Standards." You didn't connect Nepal to a "significant safety concern", and you ignored that Nepal is above average in EI.
     
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    People have no idea how utterly awful Newsom is on literally every policy . Hes a corporate scumbag whos sold out the middle class numerous times. The scumbag cheated on his wife and reports are he's had multiple affairs. The same scumbag ran off to Mexico in the middle of covid. Every TV ad would just show the bums in LA and ask voters if they want their cities like that. Newsom was literally the worst performing governor for dems in the midterms and cost the democrats the house.

    The only people who think he would be a good candidate are Republicans who want the democrats to loose. Newsom and Kamala are the worst two candidates for dems to run.

    If biden doesn't run in 2024 then I think there's a decent chance trump may win and that would be the end of america
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    Because we're discussing homelessness.
    Again you were the one who brought up "volunteer" fire departments as an alternative to government funded fire departments. You're now backpedaling on that.

    To be fair though since you did talk about private subscription fire departments we've already pointed out the problems with that. One that fires tend not to stay in one place. A subscription fire department has no contractural obligation to fight a fire for a property owner doesn't pay. That doesn't mean it will stay there. I've already provided a link to when we did have private fire departments and the problems with them. So this is something we've tried and for the most part rejected.
    I did see many crimes committed for econmic reasons during then. I would even say the vast majority of crimes committed there were economic reasons. So certainly a corporation in a break down of law and order might very well use violent and physical means against competitors. We know that even without a break down in law and order that corporations have done illegal and unethical things.
    Your statement was in response to that corporations would act in their own self interest and those interest would protect things like public safety. The Southwest situation shows that corporations will not always act in the best interest of the public. Airline safety is heavily regulated so it is very difficult for airlines to cut corners on that because the FAA won't let them fly. As you note Southewest did do things like not update their IT and hiring practices to save money. That ended up not in the public interest.
    It just shows that government funding is playing a role in a potential danger even if remote.
    It shows that mandated safety factors are greatly making cars and driving safer. Given that there is a danger from cars to not just people in the cars that overall those things are being less.
    You're looking at it the backwards. Constitutionally mandated things can have big side benefits. In fact it woudl be considered wasteful to just building some massive infrastructure without taking advantage of it's side use. For example the Internet was initially developed for a Defense purpose.
    We can agree that a law that cannot be implemented is a useless law. In this case it is about making sure that such regulation can be implemented. And yes the government does help feed children for that very reason.
    You're just back pedalling now on stats that you just cited by sayign it's unknowable. You seemed to think it was when you claimed that homelessness wasn't as bad in the 1920's and 1930's. I've already provided stats showing that even adjust for population homelessness is much less now than it was in the 1930's. I also cited a housing crisis in 1920 caused by unscrupulous landlords who even though they had far less regulation than now decided not to build affordable housing but to evict low income tenants. I've also cited how in the 19th C how with lack of regulation most affordable housing was unsafe and unsanitary tennements.
    Really? I've seen Target evicting panhandlers from infront of their store using store security. To be fair that is in MN and not CA.
     
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    Again the link you provided didn'tmention anything about elevation but did specifically mention that states didn't have sufficient oversight to implment international safety standards. The quote you cite even with your added context says that. The rest of the quote is saying that they still might not be safety defficient. That said that doesn't appear the case in Nepal particularly. The country does appear to be safety deficient regarding air travel.

    The link I provided from Al Jazeera did not that Nepal is a difficult place to fly in due to elevation and mountainous terrain. It also said that older airplanes with insufficient maintanence along with poor regulation added to the problems. There are a lot of places with mountains. If it was just a matter of the dangers of high elevation and mountains then New Zealand and Colorado should be as dangerous as Nepal for flying. They aren't remotely close.

    Here's more evidence that it's not just elevation and terrain but that there are insufficient safety requirements for Nepalese airlines.
    https://www.insider.com/nepal-plane-crash-pokhara-airport-not-equipped-navigation-system-2023-1
    Nepal plane crash: Pokhara's airport does not have a navigation system to guide pilots in low-visibility conditions
     
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  9. rocketsjudoka

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    It's just pure speculation on Gaetz's part and Fox just filling time. I wouldn't take any of that seriously.

    Everything so far appears that this was simply poor record keeping on the part of Biden. It's not pointing to some larger plot.
     
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    Joey B the serial liar never been to a black church everyday after he attended mass like he claimed.
     
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    The recent docs found from his time as senator is a nothing burger. The blueprints for the first wheel are no longer a secret.
     
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    OK that was a good one
     
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    Which is why I also included how homelessness could be addressed. The specific point under discussion with businesses was not about addressing homelessness generally, but about homeless people in front of stores.
    How am I backpedalling? You attributed an argument to me that I did not make. I pointed out that I didn't make that argument. Volunteer firefighters exist under our current system. That has nothing to do with libertarianism or its dependence on unpaid labor. That such is already the majority of firefighters is further proof that government funding is not necessary for firefighting.
    Yes, you pointed out that 200 years ago there were some nonspecific number of fights in the street between rival fire departments, and I pointed out that this is a ridiculous concern. There is a reason the news team fight in Anchorman was so silly.
    How many of them were brawls between employees of rival companies? Zero? Right then.
    But it did not end up crashing 300 million dollar aircraft, it ended up in cancelling flights. The difference should be obvious.
    No, it shows that the government is spending some amount of money on something. The government also spent money studying birds on cocaine. That doesn't mean it needed to do so. If anything, we have seen more and more shift to the private sector with regard to space.
    The problem is the jump from increase in safety on the road to decrease in danger off the road. You have demonstrated the former, but not the latter. This is a motte and bailey. You talked about cars crashing into houses. I said that is not a major issue and that it has little or nothing to do with the regulations you discussed, and you retreated to the bailey of on the road safety.
    The internet is a perfect example, because it was built for a defense purpose, but it was privatized and now is operated and maintained by private businesses and maintenance is paid for by users. Just like I said could be done with roads.
    The government doesn't provide food for children because of a mandate to feed your children, it does it because voters don't want children to starve. Personally, I am against public assistance (people should either provide for themselves and their family or rely on charity). Unfunded mandates abound though. Car insurance is another one. The government doesn't pay for your car insurance, they just mandate that you have it. Again, regulation doesn't imply funding.
    I said it is unknowable in response to your statement that it "could have been much higher". I stand by my claim that homelessness under similar employment conditions is worse now than in early America. BTW, unsafe and unsanitary tenements are a condition most common in public housing, not private. When people are given things for free, there is less incentive to take care of those things. Most people don't want to trash things they pay for.
    Yes, really. There was very recently a guy arrested for spraying a hose at a homeless person that wouldn't move along that was posted on this very board. More generally, the homeless are deemed to have a right to "camp" in public spaces. At most, you can ask them to leave your actual property and issue them a notice of trespass if they refuse. Even then, you cannot forcibly evict them, as that is delegated to law enforcement.
    That was a link regarding how the various countries of the world meet safety requirements, and it shows Nepal is above average. Why would that link talk at all about elevation or terrain?
    The terrain and weather in Nepal is the most dangerous flight conditions of any inhabited place on earth. Having less than one crash per year in an area with those conditions and where they are forced to operate smaller turboprop aircraft instead of modern jets makes me dubious as to claims that the problems are related to safety regulations. Most recently there was the Yeti airlines crash Nepal crash: Airport had no instrument landing system - ABC News (go.com) which they try to blame on the lack of ILS in this article, even though the weather was clear and there was 100% visibility and the plane went into a stall.
    See above. There were no low-visibility conditions. Also, it is a new airport and the ILS is just not installed yet, it goes online in February.
     
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    Good post, I am super curious to know if any other Presidents have the same issue. I am sure they all have boxes of files that are never opened and this could be a thing...........now what Trump did is a 180 from a mistake by someone packing your boxes for you but as you rightfully point out Biden should be looked at to see how we can fix this, I am flabbergasted that a classified document can be missing and the chain of custody to get it back just completely failed. Also agree that Biden should not have said that
     
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    Damn one crash per year is impressive. Can I ask what is the amount of passengers that go through Lukla compared to a place like LAX? How many flights per year that come out of those two airports?
     
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    The New Yorker weighing in with some humor

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    I don't think people realize just how revolutionary bidens higher education reforms are. He's pretty much adding free community college for tens of millions of Americans and literally nobody knows.

    It blows my mind how biden can do so much revolutionary change yet there's zero backlash. Republicans pitch biden as old and demented so when he literally transforms huge sectors of our economy ( his ftc is transforming corporate america) there's zero acknowledgement and backlash. If Obama or Clinton tried to do half of what biden does they'd be riots in DC over them. Biden by being quiet boring down to earth can get away with so much ****. He's transforming American society in ways that people don't even realize.

    It's annoying when people bash biden for his age or when lefties claim we need a change in leadership (so we can have new ideas) when biden is literally transforming the economy more than any younger president has done.
     
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    Like Obamacare, give the **** away for free but dont fix the underlying problem. At least with Obamacare, the non poor people actually contribute. This new program will do a complete disservice to your children. Quality of education will be affected, just like the public education system.
     
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    The underlying problem needs congress so how the hell would they do it. Folks who just ***** and whine are the issues neoliberal policies have ruled America. You will NEVER get 10 republican senators to reform higher education. Let's sit around and do nothing while our kids suffer.

    My mom life was saved by obamacare. I own a medical device company that sells CPAPs and I can't tell you how many have been saved by ACA. People who whine and b**** all day because the system isn't perfect are ridiculous. Quality of Healthcare wasn't drastically affected by ACA. If anything it's gone up as there's universal standards now.

    This new program will provide free community college for 70% of Americans. That's a damn good thing and something we should be proud of.
     
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