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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. cmoak1982

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    All stars.
    Morey would not trade Maxey for either of them btw.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    I was a big Yao fan, but he was way bigger than Sengun, but also way slower.
     
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    You linking ne something I already looked at without anything specific to point to is stupid. I already know their averages. I already know their ts%.

    Maxey is barely more efficient as a scorer than Green. What Maxey is better at is being a more consistent shooter and obviously having Embid and Harden on your team will make that easier also.

    On a team like the Rockets were if he was in Jalen Green's shoes where he often sees doubles off the pnr and defenses hedge his direction, he ain't getting those same looks.


    And the reason why their ts% isn't world's apart even though his shooting numbers are better is because Green is a significantly better attacker at the rim and draws a lot more contact and has a significantly higher ftr.

    I'm much more hopeful of a young player improving their shooting consistency than improving their ability to attack the rim more and get higher ftr.
     
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    In that case, what's the distinction between a "star" and an "above average role player"?

    I feel like you're using the term "star" too loosely. Is Kyle Kuzma a "star"?

    And what Morey would or wouldn't do has no bearing on whether or not they're "stars".
     
  5. cmoak1982

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    Barely? Are you serious?
    Such a disingenuous take
     
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    Maxey is more than a role player. Like I said, there’s a reason Morey wouldn’t trade him.
     
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    Do you know their unassisted vs assisted fgm ? Do you know how many easy looks each get per game?
    .do you take any of these in to consideration?

    You honestly think Maxey would have better numbers on a roster like this with no offensive system? Maxey gets a lot of good looks from kickouts from Harden and Embid. You don't think Green's efficiency would drastically improve around superstar floor spacers? Really?

    And I can always go to the GM argument out of 30 GMs, how many would chose Maxey over Green assuming the same contract situation and level of contract control?
     
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    He’s more of a up and coming star or a guy that’s right on the threshold of being one.
     
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    What Morey would or wouldn't do has zero bearing on whether or not Maxey is a "star."

    Maxey is more than a role player, but he's not a star. If you think he's a star, then a lot of players become stars (Jordan Clarkson, Kuzma, guys like that).
     
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    I'm not arguing Green is a better shooter but there's a huge difference when you have a teammate like Harden and Embiid vs whatever crap we have. Any decent shooter is going to have far better averages when paired next to Harden/Embiid vs if you put them on the Rockets.
     
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    No doubt that Maxey is a better shooter at the moment. You can see the difference between their catch and shoot numbers on open attempts. Green has a lot less but it's a lower percentage.

    But Green is on another level of talent when it comes to creative ball skills, wiggle, speed, dribble seperation etc.
     
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    He isn't Scola. I think Yao became better on switching to the perimeter even with his limitations and foot injuries with time. Perhaps Sengun can do that too with time and reps.
     
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    Yup. Yao was fantastic in drop coverage, too.

    I’m not so sure Sengun in drop is the best way forward.
     
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    Whole lot of what ifs and excuses in there
     
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    Context? Ya. If you were managing a NBA team and didn't utilize context you would be a bad GM.
     
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    Along with the shooting, his defense in all areas is the final puzzle piece. It would be nice to have some defensive Vets that we could mix in with JG/Sengun. I still feel like he can be in better shape, too.
     
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    The difference is Francis and Mobley weren't 19 and barely getting their feet wet in the league... It was clear who they were at that point in their careers. Giving up on Green or Smith right now would be a poor decision. It may or may not end up being a mistake, but it's too soon to even consider.

    KPJ on the other hand... I mean even he is still fairly young, but the writing is definitely on the wall for him.
     
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    Maxey is playing majority of his minutes on the 2nd team right now. There was a large chunk of last season where Harden was hurt and Maxey was the lead guard where he was putting up stupid numbers.
    The inverse applies too, give Maxey a team where he is the lead dog like Green is right now and see what happens.
     
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    Thin line between context and excuses. You’ve crossed it
     
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    I don't think you are good judge of that.

    To say Embid and Harden aren't context but excuses is kinda absurd.
     

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