His question makes sense to me. Islam is harmful to society, and in particular women, and so individual liberty takes a backseat to reducing that social harm. That’s your view, isn’t it? Very few people think individual liberty should supersede all other concerns. You’ve convinced yourself that COVID infection/spread is not a very serious concern anymore, and people who think otherwise are sheep. If you weren’t so convinced of that, you’d be far less adamant that individual liberty matters the most in all COVID matters.
Okay. How about this. We eliminate individual liberty for things we perceive as worthwhile to protect society. Fair? It seems like you agree with that principle. What you believe harms society should be governed by the government to be banned at the expense of individual liberty.
The question didn't make sense to me. In cases of doubt, I will err on the side of individual freedom. Basically, people should do whatever the hell they want to do, as long as they don't harm others.
Ya if you had some basic reading comprehension you'd realize this is the actual part of the disagreement, not the first part of your sentence. People have differing opinions of what "harms others".
Your definition of individual liberty matches what your ideological views are. That isn't individual liberty but projecting your biases.
Whether you like Islam or not it is recognized that individual expressions of religion are part of a free society. Someone wearing a hijab may feel they have to do so because of how they were raised but that is no different than a Menonnite wearing a whipple. We may not agree with that. We may find it odd or even oppressive but that is the nature of a pluralistic society. Just to follow up with our previous discussion this goes to why I in the Hamline case I wouldn't say the student is wrong to be offended. Her upbringing is what it is and she has a right to be offended. It comes down to imposition on others who don't share those views. Whether I agree that Hijab is a sign of oppression forced on Islamic women in a free society you have the right to be offended but not impose those views on others. Saying that hijabs should be banned because I find it offensive and it's my duty to try to remove that offense is the flip side of the student arguing that depictions of Muhammed are offenseive and should be removed for the greater spiritual good of society.
He's saying your concept of individual liberty only applies to things you like. It's like someone who supports free speech of only things they like to hear.
No. There are several things I don't agree with ideologically but still should be allowed. I'll give another example. Recently there was a USSC case regarding a highschool football coach in Washington State who was fired for leading Christian prayers following the game on the field. I agreed with the USSC ruling that the coach shouldn't have been fired on those grounds. I'm not a Christian and I find it annoying when overzealous Christians pray in public. I think they are trying to proselytize and also parade their faith in a self-righteous manner. The difference is that under a pluralistic and free society individual expressions of religion are alllowed. My disagreement with Christianity and the institutions of the church doesn't justify demanding government shut down their free expression anymore than if I chanted the Heart Sutra on the sidewalk would justify a Christian demanding government silencing me.
I don't really disagree with anything in your second paragraph other than the last part of the first sentence. People absolutely have a right to be offended. My point was simply that having a "right to be offended" doesn't imply there's nothing wrong in being offended. People have a right to feel or think any which way they want. But how they feel or think about a situation is a matter of personal character, and there are some ways of feeling or thinking about a situation that can be harmful (both to that person and to others in their orbit). Usually in a pluralistic society we try to be tolerant and respectful of different ways of thinking about and reacting to a situation. I'm not trying to suggest that anyone who doesn't mentally or emotionally react to a situation just like me is wrong. But some such reactions make it very difficult for a person to live side-by-side with others in a diverse, pluralistic community. Feelings of bigotry is one example. I would include extreme emotional reactions to completely neutral artistic depictions of a significant, historical figure as another.
Yes certainly certain feelings make it very hard to live in a pluralistic society but my point is how much we can change how someone thinks or how productive it is to tell someone they shouldn't think that way. We see it a lot in a our political debates of people telling others they shouldn't be offended. What we've seen too though is a backlash against that. For example calling someone a "racist" or a "bigot" rather than seeing a reexamination of someone's views we've seen a lot resistance. They might very well be racists and bigots, it actually isn't a crime to be racist and bigotted and expressing such publicly what matters is how you act on that. In this situation yes I would agree the restrictions on depicting Muhammed seem strange and irrational to me. Am I going to reach that student by telling her and CAIR that you're being strange and irrational? Most likely they will retrench in their position and call me an "Islamaphobe" and likely many others will join them. Politically it could strengthen their argument. That is why I've limited my argument to that yes you can have a sincerely held belief even if I think it's wrong. It's when you expect that the school and the rest of the society to cater to that belief in a situation where there is no offense intended and for academic purposes.
So DeSantis decided to reject a High School AP African American Studies class. Take that wokesters! Here are some AP classes which are allowed in Florida. - AP European History - AP Art History - AP Japanese Language & Culture - AP German Language & Culture - AP Italian Language & Culture - AP Spanish Language & Culture https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/19/politics/ron-desantis-ap-african-american-studies/index.html
Most people don't even know what Critical Race Theory is. It is doubtful that it is taught, but likely people like DeSantis believe that it is
AP classes are generally college-level courses. These advanced students don't need the government to restrict them on which of these classes they cannot take. They aren't babies that need the nanny state to look over their backs.
No..... they teach American history in the context of slavery, Jim Crow, and afterwards. DeSantis is part of the conservative elite who are trying to rewrite history (similar to authoritarians like Putin or Xi).
I still don't exactly know what CRT is defined or what is taught for me to adequately explain it to someone else. Something about law and property rights used to restrict Black Americans, which doesn't sound controversial since it happens often. All the woke sites can't journosplain it to me properly.
