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Year over Year: Jalen vs Alpi (w/ some Data)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by wizkid83, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. CXbby

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    The Rockets have been running their offense through Sengun for what, one whole game now? Let’s wait and see what his assist% is after we adjust the system. Also are you actually arguing that Green is a better playmaker than Sengun? Grow some eyes.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    Scaling up is going to magically increase efficiency? Doesn't the opposite happen?

    I'm not arguing anything. I'm analyzing the claim that people like you make that Sengun can be a offensive hub and Green is basically JR Smith and looking into their assist to turnover rate and ast rate.

    Or is that forbidden?
     
  3. CXbby

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    Cuz mine is right and I just proved yours wrong?
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    Okay. Im not a kid?

    So I guess your narrative was proven wrong also.
     
  5. CXbby

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    It’s actually worse than that. Green is given every opportunity to do whatever tf he wants on offense with zero repercussions. Meanwhile Sengun is being stunted and marginalized by the coaching staff at every turn. Minutes, touches, role. Yet, Sengun still has a higher assists % and somehow rose above the muck to become our best player.
     
  6. CXbby

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    How about because the coaching staff is using him like he’s Udonis freaking Haslem.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    A player given extremely long leash and allowed to make mistakes doesn't account for ASSIST RATE.
    In fact it implies the opposite if Green is allowed to make mistake after mistake and isn't ready for that burden and yet only has 2% pt lower ast rate.

    A player given burdens they aren't ready for are going to have worse efficiency than if they were eased in.
     
  8. CXbby

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    I never said he was jr smith. I said he was Zach Lavine or Bradley Beal. Don’t try to lie to prove your point if you can’t do it with truth.
     
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    Lol Haslem even in his best seasons didn't have anywhere close to the usage and time of possession that Sengun has this year.
     
  10. CXbby

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    You cannot make an assist if you don’t touch the ball. How hard is this to understand. You promised me you weren’t a kid yet a toddler would understand this.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    Oh how kind of you.
     
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    Hmm I guess "rate" is a new concept for you?
     
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    The hope was that Green could develop into more of a combo guard but clearly that's not going to happen. Hopefully they eventually pivot away from just letting Jalen chuck, but who knows?
     
  14. CXbby

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    I’m guessing watching basketball is a new concept to you. Last year as a rookie center he had a 18% assists rate which is elite. This year at the beginning of the year that rate plummeted. A lot of games he would only get 1 assist. That’s because the coaching staff wanted to turn him into a pure finisher like Bruno Fernando who they wanted to start and run everything through the guards. That’s going to affect his assists %, understand?
     
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    His assist rate is 18% this year. His time of possession and usage rate also is much higher this year than last year. Bruno doesn't even play that much lol.
     
  16. CXbby

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    I’m going to give Green credit that he actually did start connecting on pocket passes to the bigs which is something he didn’t do last year. But that’s no where close to advanced playmaking or someone capable of running an entire offense. Like EG still does it better.
     
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    Haven’t been following have you? His assist % is actually 19.1% now which is the same as last year, and his usage is exactly the same as last year. but that’s only because over the last month the offense has finally shifted to more Sengun centric. It was 15% up until last year. Don’t comment if you haven’t been following or even watched every game like us true Rocket fans.
     
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    Clearly.... both these guys will stagnate at year 2 and be just what they are, pretty decent post threat with no outside shooting and pretty good (decent now) shooter with no ability to create offense with his playmaking ability.

    I wonder how James Harden developed into an MVP player after staying where he should still be under his own year 2 with the Thunder.

    Calling all Jalen Haters! Apparently this thread is for you, and you, and all of y'all.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Eg has a much smaller sample size of pnr ball handling possessions so it's hard to determine what his efficiency would be if you expanded it to Green and KPJ amount of pnr possessions.

    But Green has the second highest ppp on pnr ball handling duties behind EG but also has the highest amount of possessions. KPJ is close behind in amount of possessions per game but is considerably lower in ppp. So our off guard with "no handles" is a better pnr ball handler than our alleged combo guard who is our starting pg.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Yes 19% vs 17%.

    One is allegedly an offensive savant equivalent of young Jokic and one is going to hopefully allegedly be Lavine in his prime when he's 27 maybe, hopefully.
     

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