How is it not going well when we're ahead of Orlando schedule by like 1 decade? Maybe you forgot but they've been rebuilding since Dwight left. To then turn around and say Orlando is doing well now, after years and years of rebuilding seems disengenous at best. Why dont you give the FO the same timeline Orlando has first before you say they are doing better? A rebuild isnt something that is done in a short period of time, OKC/Sonics for example drafted KD in 2007 and he only made the playoffs in 2009 in his 3rd season playing. And that's a team that contains KD, Harden, WB and Ibaka. I love Jalen, Jabari and Sengun but they are ways away from those guys so why are you now turning around expecting the team to outperform OKC and freakig Kevin Durant? KD had 2 seasons having a team at the bottom of the standings its not unreasonable we have a team that will be in the bottom longer than him.
How much you think Jc and Garuba are worth? Lol why tf would those 2 fetch something significant? This isnt NBA2K where you can trade random crap and get an elite prospect back, JC and Garuba havent really done much of anything so are pretty much worthless at this point. Kj Martin is worth something but would you really want to get rid of him? Kid is only getting started, is only 22 and been our most efficient scorer. I'd rather keep him on the team long term than trade him for scraps.
Stone made his own luck on the picks did you forget Tate, KJ Martin and KPJ are obtained with low 2nd rounders? Dipo on a huge contract wouldnt change things much since we would still be tanking regardless. Plus it didnt even happen so why are you penalizing Stone for something that didnt happen? EG getting traded or not would just result on a low FRP. Missing out on a low first rounder omg how terrible and disastrous? In the previous draft Stone traded down and got 2 second rounders on top of Tyty so that already makes up for losing on a low Frp. When you tradenEG you're gonna get back something as well so its not like its a total loss. It might even be a low frp..
Your missing the point, a low first round pick instead of disgruntled EG would be amazing rn… the bigger point is EG has been taking playing time and development away from our young players for two years plus now. That’s the point
Isnt there there the other thread complaining about the lack of vets on this team? You wanna take away the only dude on the roster with more than 2 yrs of exp? You're the one missing the point we have so many prospects right now a low frp even struggles to get PT thats why Tyty is in GLeague. Last 2 yrs we got so many unknowns thats why banking an asset in EG makes sense. Once Stone starts consolidating snd pruning which prospect to develop then thats the time to cash in the EG chip so you can have more prospects for inspection.
Agreed like... Orlando has a nice core, but why should we be jealous of it right now? People really should look at the careers of the players that make the all-star games. Giannis, Jokic, Tatum, Embiid, none of these guys were tearing up the NBA at 20 years old. Some players do hit the ground running, these guys are rare, and it doesn't mean that a guy that is better quicker will be better overall. Giannis and Curry, great examples of this. Green could be an MVP level player if his three shot gets better and his defense is average but that's going to take more time to develop (if it does). Jabari could be a perennial all-star if he just does what he was drafted to do, hit his shots, everything else is a bonus especially the defense. Sengun can also be an all-star player if he shores up his defense, doesn't foul that much, and just gets more consistent. Is it likely all these guys reach that level? Not really, we'd be fortunate if we get one perennial all-star out of them...but acting like it's impossible is odd to me. All these guys have flashed their abilities multiple times. They are not putting up busty numbers...they just are not consistent, which SHOULD be expected of a 20 year old (and Jabari is 19...) I agree Paolo is a terrific prospect, one of the best young prospects in the league...but so are the guys we have. They are not putting up busty numbers. People want these guys to be great, cool, a lot of times greatness takes time and patience and failure.
would you rather have EG playing 30 minutes or allocate those minutes to developing our prospects? EG is a primary reason why TyTy and JC don’t get playing time …. And EG is not a chip to cash in any longer, his value has dwindled.
Orlando did develop a certain Shaq, Penny, a certain Dwight and helped a certain Tracy. They were the Miami before Miami. Disney World does make certain things come true like the Covid Bubble. While we shouldn't be jealous they have a decent track record.
It's not as disingenuous/kooky as saying that a 10 season long stretch of Orlando Magic basketball is the baseline and since we've only the literal worst team in the NBA for a mere... 3 seasons (with the indefinite prospect of more to come)- nobody should complain too much. I mean do you honestly plan on trusting the Process into year 9 and triumphantly resurfacing if the Rockets claw their way to .500 and 2030 play-in tourney " see folks, I told you everything was going fine you nervous nellies" I don't really care what Orlando did in 2014. They kicked off a rebuild in 2021, just like us, when they traded Vujecic and are now tier above - that's the yardstick. Both teams started from zero at the same time. One hit their draft picks, one missed. Now one is headed back to respectability and one is holding on to a 14% chance at Victor as the only hope to win 30 games in the next 2 seasons
A tier above? They are the 5th worst team in the NBA. They are in the same tier, going for the same #1 pick. OKC is a tier above, the Rockets, Orlando, Detroit, all on the same crappy tier, that is the tier of worst teams in the NBA.
They've won 60% more games - they're theoretically only 3 games out of the Play-In, and they have a franchise level player in place. I'd trade my entire roster and upcoming drafts for theirs, so would pretty much everybody. A tier above.
Paolo is already a franchise level player??? I'm telling you, look at past ROYs, it doesn't even get close to guaranteeing anything. Tyreke Evans was once a franchise level player and put up numbers few rookies in history ever did. Didn't mean crap. In the end he was putting up numbers on a bad team. Ja Morant is a franchise level player. Luka. Zion. Paolo hasn't proven that. Putting up numbers on a bad team is NOT a signifier that a player is going to be some franchise level player. 60% more games? You're framing it differently, the fact is they are still in the race for a #1 pick. They are still a bottom 5 team in the NBA.
Not only is Paolo the only franchise level player from the last 2 drafts, but Franz Wagner is better than anyone we have too. The Magic managed to bust on Suggs, but still come up with a better player than anybody we got in 21 or 22 A tier above
The problem with EG is that you aren't just getting back an "asset" for him. To trade Gordon, you are taking back salary that extends beyond this season. That is a deal breaker. The cap space the team has created for this coming offseason or the next is critical to the future of the franchise. It could even be more important than the development of Green / Smith / Sengun / 2023pick. What they ultimately spend that cap space on will most certainly be on the roster in 2023/24 and beyond. The above-mentioned players aren't guaranteed to be here. They could be moved. That cap space is the future.
To be fair, he got all 3 of those players for just 1 second rounder. KJ was a 2nd rounder Tate was signed in FA originally KPjr we got PAID a first rounder from CLE (via MIL) in the deal which made him ragequit (and we then signed him via FA)
And that's the advantage of having 2 lotto picks in 2021 for them. That is what 100 years of futility (ok, not quite that much) brings. Some dumb luck in the player you didn't value as highly being better than the guy you wanted. Then lucking out and getting pick 1 (and almost stuffing it up by all accounts) For what it is worth, we are yet to see if all the players they have acquired can actually make the playoffs! They should be hopeful - having two 6'10 skilled guys is a great platform - but time will tell
