The documents that were found at the Biden Penn center had to have been moved at least twice because the the Biden Penn center was not built until a year after he left his VP position. Unless he moved the documents feom the WH during Pence's term, then the documents must have been moved multiple times.
I sense a disconnect in the thread (I know, big surprise). You're talking sober, well-reasoned logic about an issue. Nearly everyone else is talking about politics and optics. Obligatory: (and sorry / not sorry if already posted thousands of times)
Nobody in this country cares about governoring and that's the conclusion. Bidens FTC last week announced a rule that would ban non competes and effect over 40 million Americans or 1 in 4 workers. It'll help increase pay by 400b dollars. The biggest move in labor history that will revolutionize the way labor and business is done. Nobody talks about it. This week the education department announced a rule that all undergrad loans will be capped now and be forgiven after 10 years now which is the biggest change in higher education in our lifetime. Not a peep about it in media. Nobody in this country gives a **** about governoring or getting **** done. It's all clicks and hysteria. It's why we got stuck with trump as president.
But if there are rules in place, the individual breaks them (whether inadvertently or knowingly), and they get caught, then why shouldn't we punish them. I'm not sure what the punishment is for this, but lets take it down to our level. Lets use the example of driving a car. We all are relatively familiar with the rules of driving. There are signs in place to follow speed limits, stop, etc etc for the safety of the public. Many of us knowingly break these rules from time to time (or every day), if we get caught, we either at least get a warning, or more severely an infraction. We can choose to go to court and get it resolved (deferred adjudication, defensive driving class, admit guilt and pay the ticket) or we can fight it as well. Ultimately, we are held accountable for our decision whether we did it with intent or we just got distracted and were not paying attention. Here we have a current president and a former president. One seemed to have acted inadvertently while the other one appeared to act inadvertently but turns out he did intentionally. One guy decided to report himself the other decided to be difficult for whatever reason. I'm not necessarily about following every damn rule, but I feel as leaders of our country, these particular individuals should be held accountable in some regard. It's not fair that if one of us did something similar, we'd likely be reprimanded more heavily (as the article pointed out, a 3 month sentence for taking papers accidentally to a hotel room).
You are missing the entire point. Let me give you a real world example. I go to your house. We have some our stuff next to each other and I end up taking some of your stuff and you don't notice. I call you and say "Hey man I picked up some of your stuff. Want to come get it?" The other situation is pick I up some of your stuff and YOU Call me and say "Hey man you may have accidentally taken some of my stuff" "No I didn't and if I did it is mine" "No it isn't. Give me my stuff". "Okay here you go" "That's not all my stuff" "Okay here is some more" "Still not all of it. I'm getting a court order to get my stuff" "Fine. Here that's all of it" "Goddamnit. No it's not. **** this I'm calling the cops "
You're not wrong, but it's not just the media. We are a very limited species when it comes to handling information, and logic does not come naturally to us. Literally, if you believe the gossip theory of language, which I very much do... gossip is what comes naturally to us.
He is not talking sober, well reasoned logic. He keeps disparaging posters and repeating UNOPENED box. Unless there was a WH seal on it or something, what does that even mean? Ok, maybe he is sober but the well-reasoned part is falling short.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you say here. But if you're going to witch hunt Trump and prosecute him, then you need to witch hunt Biden and criminally prosecute him too. And the fact that Biden withheld discussing this incident with his own documents until AFTER the election is not very encouraging about Biden's putative virtue
You might be right about the top secret stuff. But it was reported that some of the documents were Top Secret. This is from the article that I linked.
To follow on that example if you suddenly say "Hey I've found more of your stuff that I had forgotten I had taken" would it not be fair to then for me to ask "do you mind if I or someone else that is mutually trustworthy come over and check to see if you have more of I stuff that you might've missed?" That is what is being asked for. An independent investigation so we can clarify how much classified material Biden might have. How it's being stored and who might've had access to it.
I have absolutely no issue with determining if there are more documents out there. However, it doesn't seem like that is what they are doing. They seem to believe they have been given all the documents.
The DOJ has a 90 day rule that is enforced before an election. This isn't rocket science or some grand conspiracy. Keep trying to spin conspiracies.
look, on the "witch hunt" topic. The Biden administration and DOJ could have handled the Trump documents in a very different way from the conspicuous and publicly embarrassing FBI raid on Mar-a-lago. The Biden administration COULD have simply elected to park a U.S. Marshal on round-the-clock duty outside of the closet where the Trump documents were until the dispute with Trump worked its way through the courts--even if the court wrangling took years. But no, the Biden administration decided to do something much more dramatic and publicly visible--raid Trump's private residence. I have to think that was to score big political points via the optics of a raid. Me personally? I don't personally care whether Trump was raided or dragged through the courts for years over these documents. But the Biden administration made a choice. Now the shoe is on the other foot. If the Biden administration had chosen a lower-key way of dealing with Trump, the Biden administration wouldn't be in quite the embarrassing situation it finds itself in now.
