Do you just get off on lying and making **** up? The documents were never moved several times and there's literally zero evidence of it. The WH has said clearly the boxes at his home were found UNOPENED from the time his aides packaged the docs. His VP aides who packaged the docs effed up.
Good question. I assume it has something to do with constitutional ambiguity (Trump v. resistance) and the fact that people in power don't want any checks on themselves to the point where our two party system lays down ground rules to keep their thing going. We're also now bitterly divided to the point where identifying as Americans or neighbors is becoming more and more sidelined by political affiliation, as one side thinks the other is evil and "ruining their country" while the positions their party takes is absolutely good.
not to put words in the Editorial Board's mouth, but perhaps they argue that because these particular offenses are relatively trivial in the cosmic scheme of things. We are talking about presidents/vice-presidents, and presumably we are talking about (at least in part) inadvertent sloppiness in boxing up/handling documents. We're not talking about Edward Snowden
He notified the doj the SAME DAY. The doj coordinates with NARA. Biden followed protocol. His lawyers took possession of the documents. You folks do realize his LAWYERS found the documents. Not some bozo aides but the best lawyers in the world.
I'm sure he considers his Corvette his prize posession. That doesn't mean it's where classified documents should be stored. It just makes him look more like an out of touch Boomer. On top of that too it's just him taking Fox News bait to make him look like an out of touch Boomer.
This is the type of thinking that leads to the exceptionalism and favorable treatment that many dislike about politics. With Biden all of this may be trivial and it's very possible this was all just due to sloppiness that doesn't change that mishandling classified material is a serious offense. This goes to principle, something that we see a lot of people abandoning when it's "their side". If we value the principle of rule of law at the minimum this calls for an investigation done independently.
Again the documents that were found were unopened in a box that hadn't been opened. He's not sitting there reading the documents daily as he looks at his car. How the hell is he some out of touch boomer when he's literally managing the United States against Russia through Ukraine perfectly well. Every nato head around world has praised biden and he's been able to bring back japan and south Korea to our influence Again. You folks need a life seriously. Merrick Garland literally nominated a damn TRUMP APPOINTEE to oversea the investigation. What more do you bozos want? Good God. You think for a second trump would ever nominate a biden nominate to oversee him. Give me a damn break. Dems always play good guy
not really. I think there are good reasons for presidential deference *in some contexts* . . . these guys have arguably the hardest job in the world, we should cut them some slack when it makes sense to do so
I know man. I'm just messing with you. You said they turned them over the same day. The root of the issue is Trump is not in trouble for having classified documents. He is in trouble for the willful retention of them. It isn't like NARA and the FBI said "He has classified documents. Go get him!" They spent 18 months trying to get all the documents back. They subpoenaed them. He still didn't return them all. Finally, after all that and 18 months they got a warrant to get the documents.
Yes he's the president of the United States boasting about how secure his corvette is so it's fine he can store classified material is silly. Just glossing over this ignores the potential seriousness of this issue given we have no sense of who had access to them nor what was in them. It's fairly easy to reseal a box. Yes Garland is doing the right thing. Hur sounds like a very sound choice. I completely support this move. I'm responding to @Os Trigonum who seems to think it's not very important.
Biden literally had to be in charge of declassifying docs leading up to the ukraine invasion nd that decision to declassify help secure the support of our EU allies which helped gather support for the swift sanctions at the beginning. This whole bs about a few classified docs is so media driven bullshit. Biden has clearly shown he can handle the toughest real life challenges. Ukraine is only winning because of biden.
They also have the most power and are in the highest position of trust. This is the exact same argument I've made regarding Trump. With such power and trust the we should expect accountability and safeguards. Not just take the President's word for it.
I think it's utter bs that in no situation would trump or a republican president EVER nominate a Democrat to overlook a republican. Democrats always have to be the nice people. Merrick Garland was a republican. Trump was never in trouble by the doj for having the docs. They only came after him after he lied on a affidavit under oath. Stop comparing the two
I just think the witch hunt to go after Trump was overdone, and right now Republicans/conservatives/independents are simply enjoying the shoe being on the other foot. It's all very entertaining, right down to the '67 Corvette and Biden's response at the presser
Again Biden might and so far he's cooperating with the DOJ. I still don't think just taking the President on their word is enough. We could've just taken Trump on his word because he had a tough job and we see what that get's us. NOt saying that Biden is Trump but as a matter of principle we should be holding Presidents to the same standards no matter what party.
They might not but I'm glad to see Garland this Administration are holding themselves to a such a standard that they're willing to appoint someone from the other party to investigate. That's why they came after him but yes holding classified material unsecurely or without good cause to do so is a crime that others have been convicted for.
