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Kamala is no joke; will vote for her again

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. CCorn

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    Put ‘em both on trial. I don’t care.
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    The distinction is when caught, "one team" goes to making claims the evidence is planted while the "other team" cooperates.

    Not to mention the hypocrisy of blasting Hillary over an email server and then following up and doing the same.
     
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  3. Space Ghost

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    What matters is damages and intent. High ranking government officials are not going to jail for mishandling classified documentation that can be googled. And as the documents are classified, we will never know the content so you or I will never know the damages.

    All of these arguments are big fat nothingburgers and its amusing to watch all the partisans get wrapped up in these ignorant conversations.
     
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  4. Space Ghost

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    Yes, its very much a distinction however its irrelevant.

    We dont give a murderer a pat on the back for admitting to the crime and 'cooperating' while the other murderer refuses to admit to their crime.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    I feel like we are in agreement.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    We don't give a pat on the back but their sentences might vary, and their cooperation is brought up on court on their behalf.
     
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  7. dmoneybangbang

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    I disagree as the distinction is a microcosm of the two teams and our current political issues.

    And I don't really find "murder" to be a good analogy, since as you said recently we probably won't know the contents so therefore won't know the damages and there are varying convictions for murder.
     
  8. Amiga

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    I think I'm actually in the minority here, so stop painting such a broad brush as you typically do.

    Except for gross negligence, in general, I favor forgiveness if it wasn't intentional. We criminalize way too much already. I get the State is very unforgiving when it comes to the potential harm done by exposed confidential materials. And I do think that should be taken into account. That's my frame of mind and if you don't agree with it, fine. But stop with the bs of thinking I believe all of it is a nothing-burger. I do not. You are the one that tends to equalize all as the same. There are huge differences between Clinton, Biden, and Trump here. Waiting for when Biden calls a press conf and said, yep, I took them, and they belong to me and I'm not giving it back so I can agree with you that they are all a nothing burger.
     
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  9. Rileydog

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    Has Biden declassified the documents just by thinking about it.
     
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    At this point how can we be sure there isn't consecutive classified batches totaling three or more lmao what is going on ? ... holy sh..it
     
  11. Rileydog

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    The whole Biden classified documents thing is a perfect illustration of how the conservatives remain dumb asses with no principles, whereas the vast majority of the centrists or democrats are being consistent and intellectually honest.
     
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    lol

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  13. rocketsjudoka

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    It's not about sacrificing Biden to jail Trump. It's about the rule of law and whether standards apply regardless of party.

    All these discussions of whether we have overclassifications are tangents. When these documents were taken / stored / handled improperly they were classified. Whether they should be or not doesn't change that at the time they were classified.
     
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    Biden is just an unwitting victim of his too gracious nature.
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    As opposed to Biden plotted to take the classified materials and was planning to hoard them and is lying about cooperating in turning them over?
     
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  16. Amiga

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    No, but evaluating the harm that was done should take into account if it was overclassified (or even underclassified). That's what happens in the Clinton case. Some of them were "upgraded" and some of them were "downgraded". The upgraded one got her into more trouble.
     
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    Yes, he did, but Trump immediately re-classified the documents using the same method.
     
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  18. Space Ghost

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    Que? Clinton didn't get into 'trouble'. Absolutely nothing happened to her.

    It doesn't matter what you think 'should' happen. Classified documentation is classified documentation.

    This entire 'jail' theme is completely ignorant. Nobody is going to jail.

    What matters in mishandling of classified documentation is intent. If a person was intentionally going to sell the information, that is going to be a prosecutable offense. What you need to understand is this is a very subjective topic. The reprimands can extend from a simple slap on the risk all the way to lengthy prison sentences. There is not a nice tidy flow chart for a person who knows nothing about classified information to follow.

    This is all a stupid click-bait story for idiotic people to follow.
     
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  19. TheresTheDagger

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    How will anyone ever know what harm was done?
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    Sadly we may have to wait until it's available under FOI or if the documents get declassified sooner.
     

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