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University Instructor Fired for Showing Islamic Art

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by durvasa, Jan 8, 2023.

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  1. jiggyfly

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    Yeah, it's amazing how religion always ends up subjugating women.
     
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  2. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes Hamline is a private school and well within their rights to fire this teacher. I would say it would be a mistake to make this about censorship and certainly there is no First Amendment violation here. What this is about though is Hamline's own commitment to academic integrity. It sounds like from this situation they were less concerned with that and more concerned about keeping up appearances to support diversity.

    It seems to me like Hamline created a conflict here where none should exist. You can still welcome diveristy while maintaining academic integrity. It would be like saying we welcome Chinese students but will still teach that the Cultural Revolution happened and a lot of people died during that.
     
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  3. Amiga

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    Exactly why there is a need for strong separation of church and state
     
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  4. JuanValdez

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    Agreed. However, I have kids on the cusp of going to college. Can't say Hamline was top of mind for me, but I'm less likely to endorse the idea of them going if my kid brought it up. Also, calling the prof "Islamiphobic" in the termination could help a wrongful termination suit, defaming her on the way out.
     
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  5. tinman

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    You should be worried about the homeless people breh that the California people brought to Austin
    And who’s going to replace Chris Beard

    Also try not to fail art history , it’s a great class
    @Os Trigonum @J.R.
     
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  6. fchowd0311

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    I'm actually proud that I trolled @tinman enough to actually block me and never respond to me. I guess I made him introspect about his life and years of dedication to a singular shtick on a NBA team fans message board.

    I Injected a bit too much self awareness into your bloodstream for your taste?
     
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  7. durvasa

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    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/professor-terminated-art-history-paintings-muhammad-2238922


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    To address concerns among the university’s Muslim community, Hamline reportedly invited Jaylani Hussein, executive director of Minnesota’s chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, to the school to lead a conversation about Islamophobia in December.

    “Many of the Muslim students on campus, after they heard of this incident, it impacted them. It impacted their grades, it impacted them finishing off the semester. They obviously were hurt. At the same time, they’re appreciative of the institution doing the right thing,” Hussein told Twin Cities Pioneer Press last month. “For us Muslims, it is blasphemy.”

    News of the professor’s termination was first reported outside the university in New Lines Magazine by Christiane Gruber, an art historian who specializes in depictions of Muhammad.

    “Hamline administrators have labeled this corpus of Islamic depictions of Muhammad, along with their teaching, as hateful, intolerant, and Islamophobic. And yet the visual evidence proves contrary: The images were made, almost without exception, by Muslim artists for Muslim patrons in respect for, and in exaltation of, Muhammad and the Quran,” Gruber wrote.

    “Through conflation or confusion, Hamline has privileged an ultraconservative Muslim view on the subject that happens to coincide with the age-old Western cliche that Muslims are banned from viewing images of the prophet,” she added, noting that this “muzzles all other voices while potentially endangering rare and precious works of Islamic art.”

    “If these reports are accurate, Hamline University has committed one of the most egregious violations of academic freedom in recent memory,” Jeremy Young, senior manager of free expression and education at PEN America, said in a statement.

    “Not only is an art history professor well within their rights to show medieval and Renaissance Islamic artworks in class,” he added, “but the professor apparently took added care to create a positive pedagogical experience for students—placing the images in historical context, allowing students to opt out of viewing them, and thoughtfully exploring the history and diversity of Islamic art and thought.”

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  8. IBTL

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    the sh**tbag founders of my religion are better than yours!

    damn right better than yours




    @tinman
     
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  9. tinman

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    Even Mehdi Hasan is criticizing what he refers to as a wrong "canceling" of this professor. Hard to find anyone online defending this. The University is preparing a response, he says.

     
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  11. AroundTheWorld

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    "Islamophobia" is a bullshit term, and a misnomer.
     
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    What about that one in Eyes Wide Shut?
     
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    It's overused but in your case of your rhetoric for the past half decade on a NBA team fan forum, it applies correctly
     
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  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Islam is a joke of a religion...so inconsistent and full of BS.

    DD
     
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    They should put heat on the student for being a dumbass oversensitive snitch.

    Takes class on art history. Doesn't even know about works the student's cultural ancestors made to glorify their prophet. Throws shitfit at the messenger and college.
     
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    Caught a bit of this on local news yesterday. The student who came forward to complain to Hamline speaks along CAIR. Another Muslim organization supports the teacher.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/n...hammad-shown-in-hamline-university-art-class/

    I will say again yes I can understand how Muslims could consider this offensive and unsettling but history is frequently unsettling. THis is disturbing trend and not just on the Left. We see politicians putting forward laws about not teaching things like slavery because it makes white students uncomfortable.
     
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  18. fchowd0311

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    Yes we understand how irrational she is. These type of people need a hard dose of self-awareness.

    For me as an ex-muslim, I honestly can't understand the dedication and addiction to not showing images of Muhammad to the point it effects the lives of people who don't believe in the dumbass religion. These people have some sort of addiction to the claim that no one besides God should be worshiped therefore any image depiction of Muhammad implies "worship". That's how fickle their argument is and stupid it is.
     
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  19. Colt45

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    Yeah, we KNOW. :rolleyes:
     
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    Congrats this is definitely going to make non Muslims have a favorable opinion of Muslims more.
     
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