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Lovie Smith Fired

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Htown Legend, Jan 8, 2023.

  1. a time to chill

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    The people that have other options will turn it down.


    Even though it may not be racist it looks racist. Perception is reality when you’re trying to attract talented coaches and free agents. Caserio getting to be involved for a 3rd coaching search is just wrong when he completely botched the first two. Him still having a job speaks volumes about Cal’s incompetence. He has made him look like a complete idiot too many times.
     
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    In your own words, you said they should have aggressively hired a competent head coach. Assuming Gannon agreed to come here, I feel like we still would have gotten **** on for not going with Bienemy because we are racist. But why haven’t the Giants/Broncos/Colts been **** on? So apparently to just avoid black coaches all together is better than what we have done? I’m not saying the optics are good, or we handled it perfectly, but the fact that no other teams get **** on is just Houston hate.

    colts got flack for hiring Saturday because it was a DUMB move. The Texans got flack for talking to McCown because it was dumb AND Racist. There is a difference and it’s BS.
     
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    And yet firing 2 coaches after one year that were remarkably unqualified will make it more undesirable? Either ppl are gonna chase those 32 spots or they aren’t. If you can’t see that it’s more desirable than it was last year and WAY more desirable than 2 years ago then we’ll just disagree.

    and to be clear, I hate the Texans right now, I hate the FO and everything they have done to put us in these situations, but if it had been Hackett and Reich as our 2 one and done coaches everyone would be saying we are racist for getting them instead of a Bienemy. There is no winning here.
     
  4. Hey Now!

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    Every team that hires a WHC receives some degree of blowback. The Texans would have, as well. Now, let me turn on all caps to emphasize this next point: THAT IS NOT THE SAME THING.

    The Texans hired a BHC with the express purpose of firing him. TWICE! *That* is the issue.

    You need to step out of your bubble. The Colts got flack for both: https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...y-interim-slap-face-black-coaches/8294338001/

    https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...-criticism-of-jeff-saturday-hire/69628897007/

    https://firstsportz.com/nfl-news-sh...aim-after-jim-irsays-hiring-of-jeff-saturday/

    And if they’re dumb enough to do it a second time - like the Texans were - they will rightly receive the same degree of blowback.
     
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    This is BS! You can also argue the Texans gave an opportunity to both Culley and Lovie that no one else was going to give them. Are the Colts racist for firing Reich?

    It’s about results. Culley botched calls and game plans. Lovie somehow managed to be worse the Culley. How is that even possible? Culley won more games on accident.
     
  6. Nick

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    Wasn't Reich there for 3+ years.

    No, the Texans weren't being benevolent by giving some up-and-coming coaches a "chance". They hired two also-rans who were never going to get another HC opportunity EVER... with the presumption that it would be easier to let them go once they predictably failed.

    Its like the plot for the producers... but only more malicious.
     
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    Oh you mean like how the Colts were benevolent in giving Saturday a chance? All while they were being chastised for not giving someone who’s put there time in, or as you would call it, an also-ran.
     
  8. Xopher

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    It came out several times last year that Cal wanted Lovie to stay as DC. This meant any new HC could not hire their own DC. The rumor was Gannon wanted the job, but Nick wouldn't let him hire his own staff. Well why Gannon, a DC, want to keep a DC who runs a totally different scheme than the one who got Gannon the interview in the first place? The whole reason Lovie got the job is because no one else wanted it when they found out the owner of the team was demanding Nick keep Lovie on as DC. Lovie got the job by default.

    If you look at articles from when Lovie was in Chicago he was an old school offensive minded coach. Management had to drag him kicking and screaming into a somewhat modern offense. When that somewhat modern offense would make any mistake like a turnover, Lovie thought he was justified in making them go back to old school during the game. Pep may not be a good OC, but he is definitely not a good old school OC. How much of it was Lovie who wouldn't let Pep implement a modern system? Any coach who is hired now will get to pick their own staff.
     
  9. HillBoy

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    The issue is not one of racism. Bigot Bob (like his buddy Donald) were/are perfectly OK having black people in the building just as long as they stayed in their place and could be used for props and window dressing. Bob and the rest of the NFL owners showed you their true colors during the Colin Kapernick episode. And the Texans showed you just how little they think of black coaches with their actions the past two years. It's not the media that keeps owners from hiring African-Americans rather it's their total disdain and lack of respect for their abilities and accomplishments outside anywhere but the football field.
     
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    Like others - I don’t believe it’s racism as much as extreme ignorance and lack of self awareness.

    it does come off as falling squarely into the concerns expressed by men of color seeking coaching jobs in the nfl.

    However, if I look at the overall history of the Texans - it’s impossible to ignore Rick Smith’s legacy and his retention of arguable the most significant position in a NFL franchise despite a piss poor track record. They weren’t overtly racist then. They aren’t now. They are just really really stupid.

    let’s hope to god they get the hire right this time and in another year to two we can begin to rewrite the narrative. Until we turn the tide - you gotta take the blows and acknowledge the poor management.
     
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    That's just it, they were hired BECAUSE they were not qualified for the job. Cal and Nick found it convenient to hire black coaches because they were easily disposable pieces on the chessboard. The question you need to look at is why they were hired when it was clear that they were not suited for the job at hand.
     
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    We're on opposite ends of the Kaep thing.

    When you work for somebody they expect you to do your job. What is staying in your place. What place did RS stay in. They let him run their franchise for 12 years.

    I don't understand the total disdain part of your post. If this was true Culley and Lovie would have never been hired to begin with.
     
  13. HillBoy

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    The Saturday hiring goes down as exhibit #1 of the arrogance that exists amongst NFL owners. That was all on Irsay and had nothing to do with benevolence. This is what happens when you huff your own farts too much.
     
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    Love was fired because he was not a good head coach, not because of racism.
     
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    Look at my post above. I explained why Lovie was hired. Had Caserio known Cal was going to pull the "We are keeping Lovie as DC" card before Culley was fired, Culley probably wouldn't have been fired. Why? Because say what you want about Nick. He isn't stupid. He has been in the NFL long enough to know any decent coaching prospect is going to want to hire their own staff. Cal ruined that by keeping Lovie as DC. No one else wanted the job. Nick got stuck with Lovie.
     
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    But he was hired to check a box and avoid fall out over hiring a white coach with zero coaching experience
     
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    We knew Lovie was a bad head coach when he was hired. We also knew the Texans were a dumpster fire.

    And that’s why they hired him - so they could burn off all their failings while he (& Culley before him) flailed about, and then fire him when they were ready to hire their *real* head coach.
     
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  18. HillBoy

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    Their interviewing Gannon was just a facade, a show. Nick and Cal were going to hire McCown but the Flores lawsuit blew that plan up in their faces so they turned to Lovie at the last minute. Due to the way he was hired it was obvious that he was was being setup to fail. Hiring McCown was not racist, just unbelievably dumb. The reason they have the bad racial optics is because it is clearly obvious to everyone why they chose to exploit two minority coaches - because they were easily disposable as far as the Texans were concerned. As for Bienemy, there are legitimate concerns about his defensive accumen (Andy Reid disease) which have given teams pause when considering him for head coach.
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    Coaching this team, in this state, was not an opportunity.

    They were asked to take fire while mediocre white men hid behind them and cleaned up their own mess, all the while intending to fire the BHCs so they could hire their “real” HC.
     
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    The hiring and firing of Culley and Lovie was just bizarre. People are trying to make sense of something that makes no sense. I’m leaning toward the Texans being really bad at running a pro football team. What a mess.

    I’d really like to know how much of this mess I can blame on Caserio. Cal says he’s planning to take more of a hands on approach. Does that mean that Caserio has been the guy making the big decisions?

    That news conference with Caserio yesterday was kind of alarming. Caserio looked all shook up.
     

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