Trade Season Coming….Stone must do something this year!

How is porter's contract a poison pill? I thought it had team options for the next few seasons. That should be movable.

 

It's not, his contract is INCREDIBLY team friendly, both in the amount per year and in the amount guaranteed.

I'm not sure how they got those basic things wrong, but you should hold it against them.

 

"Poison Pill" doesn't refer to the contract being negative value or hard to move (it definitely isn't, it is very team friendly). It refers to the situation he is in, where he is still on his rookie deal, but signed an extension for a lot more than that. See, when a guy on a rookie deal signs an extension and is then moved before that extension takes effect (like KPJ right now), then when the trade happens, for salary matching purposes, his contract is counted to ingoing salary as the average of his current contract with his extension value , but for outgoing it only counts as his current contract value. So it just makes it hard to trade from a salary matching perspective.

Like, with KPJ for example, if we traded him, he'd only count as 3 mill in outgoing salary, but for the team trading for him, he'd count as like 15 or 16 million in incoming salary. So, unless they had enough cap space to absorb that difference, then we'd have to work in a third team who DID have cap space to absorb enough outgoing salary from the team trading for KPJ so that we only took back around 3 mill (which is all we can take back with 3 mill in outgoing salary), rather than the 15 or 16 mill the other team has to trade out in order to take back KPJ's poison pill contract.

 

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The tank is breaking y'all down. Stay strong. Honestly unless it's a no brainer fleecing of a deal there's no reason to make any moves now.

Freeing Gordon is about it. Waive him, maybe someone he'd be ok with joining offers a 2nd and can absorb his contract? We're not going to get a 1st round pick worth giving up our cap space on Gordon alone. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps a team will send back someone worth paying and playing for Gordon + Martin.

 

I'd rather get a new coach EARLY in the off-season.
Don't make any reaction trades now. Don't matter if we win 18, 20 or 25 games.
Stay the course this season.
New coach (and not a dinosaur like Hollins, JVG or Lucas), high draft pick and lots of cap space. Next season MATTERS.

 

And if it’s broke, tank time

pew pew

 

I think a realistic trade might be

PHX: Gordon, Matthews
MIL: Crowder, Nix (or we waive nix)
HOU: Saric, Ingles, Hill, *draft compensation from Bucks*

*it was rumored that the bucks were offering 4 second rounders and Allen instead of Ingles/Hill to get this done. Stone was holding out for additional compensation coming back from the Suns if we included KJ. I'm proposing we don't include KJ and resolve the need for additional compensation from the Suns. Replace Allen with worse players from the Bucks and ask for better than 4 SRPs from them. For example giving them back their '23 FRP in exchange for a FRP in '24 or later.

in essence it would be moving gordon and '23 bucks FRP for the '24 bucks FRP (Pels own a swap but we would get whichever is covered to the Bucks). this is similar to our PJ deal with the Bucks. We owned their SRP and traded it back to them with PJ for their FRP. Lets give this one back to them with Crowder for a a FRP farther into the future.

Basically I don't think we will need that '23 Bucks pick. We have so many roster spots already on rookie deals. When they all expire we won'y be able to resign all of them. Its better to have some coming in later years which can act as cost controlled bench depth after we extend jalen/jabari/sengun, or it can give us a trade chip to build around our core guys.

 

What do yall think about going strong after Monte Morris? Dude is averaging 5.4 assists with just 1 turnover, shooting 38 percent from three. Seems like exactly the sort of point guard we need to come in, take care of the ball, get the offense set up.

I think something like :

-EG to the Suns,
-Crowder , our Bucks FR pick, and a second rounder from the Suns to Wizards
-Morris and Saric (to make the salaries match) to us.

 

Why only have those 4 options....pointless thread.

 

Thinking about the teams that really look like they need to do something, I think it’s clear that. the Suns will move Crowder. The rockets have a real chance to hitch a ride on a Crowder deal. The Suns have be deadline players; their window is closing.

I don’t see teams like Portland or Indy being sellers at the deadline; if anything they could be buyers. They both need to make the playoffs for different reasons.
Despite guys like Josh Hart and Turner potentially walking in free agency, I find it hard to believe they’ll trade those guys if they are winning.

I feel like teams like the Hawks, Bulls and Raptors are more likely to make big changes this offseason as opposed to the deadline. None of those teams are contending this year. But it’s possible a guy like Gary Trent (or even FVV) gets traded at the deadline because they don’t want to lose them in free agency for nothing.

The Lakers probably have to do something at the deadline this year. Someone is getting those picks but it’s clear the Lakers are holding out for a star…which we don’t have.

The contenders may tinker with their roster on the margins. The Wemby tankers will move guys like Bogdonivich. But I’m bracing to be underwhelmed by this trade deadline.

 

Listening to Rafeal Barlowe reminded me of a kick I was on last summer during free agency: veteran mentors. I think a lot of the negativity around the Rockets is not due to the losing but rather the fact that the kids are not demonstrating that they are picking up the things that will make them successful moving forward. Thats why we need vets who will be content to cash their checks and mentor the youth on this squad. EG still thinks he can contribute to a title for some team and doesnt want to be here. We need guys who are happy to still have a roster spot and are open to mentoring all of the kiddos currently on this squad.

Hou out: EG & Martin
Hou in: Pat Beverley, Garrett Temple and Thaddeus Young

LAL out: Beverly, Kendrick Nunn and '23 Second round pick
LAL in: EG

Toronto out: T. Young
Toronto in: Martin and LAL '23 SRP

NOLA Out: G. Temple
NOLA in: K. Nunn

Beverly, Young and Temple would hardly play but would be invaluable at practice and on the road teaching these guys how to be true pros. Bring in Sam Cassell to coach with Mario Elie and Lucas on the staff along with another foundational piece in the draft and watch this team start to look more like an up and comer (just in time to send a crappy pick to OKC...).

 

Stone better do SOMETHING.

At least with Morey, you kind of knew that SOMETHING was going to happen at the deadline. With Stone, who knows.

 

The closer we get the less optimistic I become about a positive translation happening.

 

Translation? You're telling me Stone is conducting negotiations in Portuguese or something? No wonder he can't make a decent trade.

 

Phone…

 

It is movable after the extension kicks in (off-season). It is very hard to match salaries in a trade until that happens. Do a trade on Fanspo involving KPJ and you will see how it works.

 

It counts as $3.2m in outgoing salary for the Rockets but $13.7m in incoming salary for the team he would land on.

That makes matching very difficult.

 

If it’s not to get rid of Gordon for more PT to make KMJ and Gup happy or another FRP for Tate then no trade should happen. The season is done and instead of improving for half a season to mess with draft odds, we have plenty of $$$ for the summer for those upgrades but we need to see where we land in the draft. A trade for a center would be pointless if we land #1 and take Wemby. We would have him, Sengun, Trade Target and Garuba at center and same goes for PG with KPJ, Scoot maybe, Trade Target and Tyty. After the games TyTy, Gup, Eason had recently and the improvements of KMJ should get them more PT with Gordon and/or Tate gone.

 

I definitely don't give up Martin for this