[Houston Crime] foiled robbery at S. Gessner taqueria

First off, I'm not happy watching another person's life being snuffed out in a smegma of fear and rage. Took a while for twitter to add the warning and yes, I've seen worse, but I don't want to be desensitized of it. This **** is commonplace if you do want to get your jollies off of Justified killings. If you don't have a problem with it, Peace be unto you. The infidel scourge is less one today.

Secondly, that execution shot and the fact he left the crime scene puts a real bad light no matter how hard you want to spin it. The current talking point for guns is through some sort of game theory where everyone becomes vigilant if everyone else is armed. Well you don't want Crazy or uncontrollable (the addrenaline got to him) in game theory, which is already devoid or sympathy or empathy. The idea is already half cocked as it is, so justifying escalation or kill shots is a race...slippery slope to the bottom.

I'm mixed on the guy seeing jail time. If I was judging inside the cinema, then Dirty Harry gets a pass, but in real life, I'd rather gun carriers exercise restraint and did whatever it took to stop the situation with minimal loss of life until the police arrived.

Maybe the Bad Hombre would do it again if he was spared...well that's not my place to judge nor do I think the shooter is given free reign as judge, jury, and executioner.

If you live or think you live in that bleak world of hidden shadows and evil that needs to be purged on the spot, I may have a thought or prayer for you to receive a well needed hug.

 

Saw this

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Like I mentioned earlier, did he put himself in that position, 100%, is stealing illegal and immoral, of course, but did he deserve it, and was this the best outcome for that situation? Highly unlikely, with this information.

 

real gun > fake gun

 

Tell that to those school-shooting kids

 

those kids should have had some decent parenting yo

 

Not impressed.

8-9 shots from behind for one man 3 feet away.

lol sad

You fat Texans need to work on your shooting.

 

He'd done the job, he could of stopped, but instead decided to do some more damage. I don't have a problem with people protecting themselves in situations like this, but come the **** on, no need for the Hollywood ending either. Jesus.

Call this guy a hero all you want, but as far as I am concerned, that label went out when he decided to unload a few extra rounds.

 

I don't think legally the fake gun will matter. Under the law a person has to argue a reasonable threat and for someone in that situation it might be considered unreasonable to expect the person to determine in the heat of the moment if it was an actual firearm. That others were willing to give the robber money showed that people already felt threatened by the weapon and couldn't distinguish whether it was real.

 

Nah that definitely is illegal bud.

 

When I saw the news video, I thought good for him. Who knows what the robber would have done next, turned around and shot someone or just left. I wouldn't want to wait and see. Then when I saw the whole video, WTF. It's the last shot that is the hardest to explain. The robber doesn't look dead from the original shot, at least not immediately. That's beyond self-defense.

 

I'm confident you have no statistics to support this statement. And in fact, what we do know is there is a very strong correlation in countries that have more guns also have more death. There is zero evidence, that I'm aware of, that citizens carrying guns equates to deterrence.

I'd suspect that more guns means more people feel empowered to find situations in which to use them. But I don't have proof of that. But as the cliche goes, if all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

Back on point, I agree THIS man shouldn't be prosecuted for murder given our current laws. (That said, the fact that he left the scene is highly problematic.)

However, I disagree that he should be hailed as a hero as that encourages the next vigilante. In THIS scenario, everybody involved got lucky there were no other injuries. It was just that, LUCK. Next time, bystanders may not be so lucky. So no, I'm not calling him a hero. He's just some dude on the street that was packing who clearly summoned his inner Terminator and this was his big moment to shine. I feel promoting that mentality is a slippery slope that devolves into wild west justice.

You often hear people who pull somebody from a car or burning house and during the interview the "savior" never calls themselves a hero. They typically describe themselves as an average person doing what anybody else would have done in their situation.

So no, this guy is not a hero. He was just some joe in the "right" place at the "right" time. (with lots of luck on his side)

But I understand why you (and many like you) would call him a hero. Fine. I understand the optics. Agree to disagree.

 

Ya he absolutely should be arrested.

That action is explicitly grounds for court martial in the military. You can't remove a weapon from a armed combatant after they are down on the ground and then proceed to shoot them again.

But then again, more than likely buddy system is going to mean no peer is going to testify against you. But if it was caught on camera like this the military justice system would have no choice but to prosecute that person.

That is a blatantly immoral act in my opinion.


And this is where I go on a mini rant about people calling people like this a hero or good person because they did something "badass" and technically rather easy(shooting someone in the back) but looking "cool" otherwise. There was no sacrifice by this man. The manner at which he did this seems more like a machismo thing. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like this person has domestic abuse issues.

Just because someone shoots down an armed perp doesn't make that person a good person. I know many people who are absolutely horrible people(been charged with domestic abuse) who would gun down an armed perp.

 

Wait they were still giving the robber money when he was on the ground? Like he was stripper or something tossing money st him? I didn't see that in the video.

 

Not sure what you're reading. They gave him earlier when he was robbing them. NOt when he was down. That the robber was able to use a fake weapon to get money shows that it would be reasonable to presume that was a threat. It would be unreasonable to expect the shooter in that moment to be able to deduce that it was a fake weapon when the robber had already used it successfully to get money from victims.

The initial first few shots are likely to be considered legal. It is only after the threat has been ended and the shooter continues to shoot the robber that it crosses the line. Once the robber is incapicitated and disarmed it no longer qualifies as self defense. The nature of the weapon doesn't matter initially as long it is perceived as a reasonable threat.

 

I will say, after watching the video, I do have an issue with the "hero" getting his weapon out and start shooting at the suspect. I get it, everyone felt their life was in danger and this guy was likely really upset for the incident. The suspect appeared to be leaving the establishment with no incident. It really seemed unnecessary for this individual to be murdered. I know the typical stance towards this kind of suspect is that they are a good for nothing waste of space on this earth and are happy that someone took them out of their misery. I don't happen to think this way so it really upsets me how this whole situation played.

Granted, you could make the argument that the suspect could have turned around and started firing rounds (assuming he had a real weapon), but it seemed to me he was getting the hell out of there (once again, no skin in the game since I wasn't there).

 

After watching the video, like others have said here, I think that this man is a pretty disturbed person who'll have to live with his decision to end someone's life in such a brutal way... However under Texas law, I don't see that he'll be charged with any crimes.

I think this should be a lesson for those who want to arm themselves, and be a "good guy with a gun." There's a cost to taking someone's life and putting a bullet in someone's head when you knew they were already knocked out, and later knowing they only had a fake gun. This man will never be the same, and probably will have trouble living with himself.

I know we'll never get it in Texas with fascist strongmen running our state, but this is another example of why if we are going to arm civilians to this degree, why they need deep training, and should carry liability insurance in case your weapon and decision making with that weapon negatively impacts other civilians just like we do with Cars.

 

The guy sitting in front of the juke box never flinches. He was almost in the line of fire.

 

More vigilantes will rise up if crime doesn’t go down
I don’t think that’s the case for Houston but if you want to rob some people off south gesner realize that people there might have guns l

 

Am I left wing radical to call people who praise people as heros for removing a weapon from someone already on the ground lifeless and shooting them again in the back fascist?

Is that too much?