Fertitta is a rookie owner, never had a team before. Stone is a rookie as GM. Silas was never a head coach before. this is a perfect formula to suck and is happening. You can't teach "experience". p.s. I don't know whether there is already a thread for this subject or not. Sorry if exists.
Spurs? Popovich is the most decayed person in BB world.He said he would retire when Duncan gone. He did not and suffering now. He is similar to Arsene Wenger of soccer also. As a former US Military information guy in Europe he was well ahead of his counterparts to pick neglected Euros as Wenger knew French International U19 guys. Everyone learnt the academy in La Fontaine and Wenger done. No more Parkers, Manus, DeColos for Spurs and Pop done also.
The Spurs had about 3 or 4 years of success after Duncan's decline. They even went to the WC Finals without Duncan. So, you're saying without talent, amazingly, teams suck? So what do the coach, GM, and owner play in all this? Why can't the Spurs just be good again? They have a great coach, they still have RC Buford in the organization, and they've had the same "owner" for the past 30 or so years, if I recall. Why aren't they magically good? They've sucked for the past 4 years. You think Pop should be in the playoffs this year with his team?
The collapse of Dynasties does not happen at once. Ottomans started to crush in 1808 and collapsed in 1922. I live in the UK and seeing the decay of once Great Empire day by day. Spurs similar, a great organization, knows how to win and survived for a while because of former good habits but as Pop decayed day by day they started to make silly mistakes and there is no hope for the next 10 years. Picking Joshua Primo at #12 (although Sengun joined their pre-draft camp) and releasing him is another example that the system is not working. Anyway, what I tried to tell is if the owner sells the club to a non-basketball person and the new owner hires a rookie GM who employs a rookie HC, Spurs won't be better than current stage. You need at least one experienced FO/Owner/HC. In Rockets case, a new owner (no BB experience), a new RoOkie GM, a new Rookie HC, a PG playing out of his position, 40% of salaries goes to John wall&Derrick Favours (I do not know how much also goes to the other released players) and the team sucks. What else we were expexting? JGreen/Sengun/Bari/Tari all talented players, even KPJ might become one of the best player in the league if correctly employed but because of lack of experience there is no clear direction to use these talents. Rockets has much better talents than Spurs and will be champion before Spurs. Spurs has no resources, Rockets has. What Rockets need is to manage "talent pool".
There arent that many NBA teams to own, NBA GM positions, or NBA coaching positions. This isn’t like other things - you’ll find a ton of first time owners(probably most actually), GMs, and coaches. Steve Kerr and Udoka both went to finals in their first gigs in that role. You don’t need to try this hard to make an argument that the guys in charge suck - we all get it. I suspect they know it too and Silas is going to be fired soon but they are waiting for some strategic reason. I’m not saying it’s the right reason, but I think it’s overwhelmingly clear nationally that Silas isn’t really helping these guys and I refuse to believe Stone is too dumb to see that. I wouldn’t be surprised that Tillman is trying to be bad for Wemby and figured Silas is his best chance to get there which is technically correct, but short sighted because it is going to stunt Jalen and Jabari’s development for the relatively small chance that we land one of the big names.
Can you give me an example in NBA history that a team was owned by a rookie, GM is a rookie and employed a HC who was never HC in NBA/College level? Did it happen ever all 3 were novices? Just curiosity. I really want to know. Grateful if you help.
Disregarding the Ottomans and the chuckle I got out of that... The Spurs have a veteran leadership and have had this for years, yet they still have not assembled anything more than a lottery team after 4 years. So what I'm trying to get out of you is when you say that it is because we have "rookie" leadership in our organization, shouldn't the Spurs be the exact opposite and have a winning organization after having been a bad team for longer than the Rockets? Also, you state the Spurs have worse talent than the Rockets. Is that true? I don't know. The Rockets players, in my estimation, haven't had enough time to prove they're bad or good, great or bust. Or does the "rookie" term only apply to owners, GM's, and coaches? And why do the Spurs have worse talent than the Rockets if they've had 4 years to right the ship? The Spurs even had people like Dejounte Murray and couldn't get anything done with him.
Tilman owns salt grass bruh, he can own a nba team. Silas taught luka and curry how to play. Stone was Moreys right hand for years. this is the formula for suckcess
So, you understand that if all-rookie team does not bring success, all veteran teams must bring success? If I say all-rookie is not good, you presume I am advocating all nearly retired personnel? I make it clear for you: I suggest that at least one of the trio should be experienced. All experienced trio won't bring a guaranteed success but all rookies will certainly brings failure. We are a failed team at the moment. We need experience, at on and at off the court. Hope it is more clear now. p.s. Losing Dejounte is another example of Pop's decadence.
You said "all-rookie is not good", but you aren't saying "all-veteran is good?" Funny how your absolutes given one instance work only in one direction. I don't know if it qualifies by your very exacting metrics, but the Toronto Raptors had a rookie coach and, I believe, a 2nd-year GM when they won the championship in 2019. Their ownership is a group the last I recall. You act as if these guys had never been around the NBA before. Stone was here before Morey and worked with Morey. Silas has been an assistant coach and in other NBA capacities for 20+ years on winning/championship caliber teams. He has 2 assistants that have both been head coaches, assistants and players in the NBA for decades in Hollins and Lucas. But hey, don't worry - Silas is no longer a rookie, and neither are Fertitta and Stone. They've done this for a few years. We should be ok now! Or is that still too short a time period? lol. Oh, I forgot, lack of experience means everything and experience means nothing specific. You're thinking too hard about this. What I'm trying to tell you is that even if they had experience and a bunch of rookie players, they'd probably still lose/fail. That's been proven throughout NBA history which is why I gave the Spurs example. It's why you don't see a team full of 20 year olds fighting for championships or even doing anything in the playoffs. In most cases they initially just suck. Instead of focusing just on the management, also focus on the players themselves.
Thanks for the reply but there are lots of misleading in Raptors case. 1. Masai Ujiri was GM of Nuggets between 2010-13 and has become of GM of Raptors in 2013. Thus he had two different teams's GMship and 9 years acting experience. He was well aware of Nick Nurse's qualifications as he was assistant coach of the team. 2.Owners were same group for 20+ years.Not a rookie. 20+ years is enough to be called experienced. Silas reminds me long forgotten high school teachings: Peter Principle. You might be right, it seems that I think too hard on this issue. It might be "deformation professionelle" . Tom Watson of IBM once said: " IBM's total value is not different than combined values of its staff". As an old school guy I carry the same ideas but different time/different ideas I guess.
I wonder why I am being targeted with this comment? I didn't make an inaccurate thread claiming they are all rookies... You can't use their rookie status as current causality if they aren't rookies.....
No misleading. It's you refusing to accept it. Masai Ujiri wasn't the GM when they won the championship. Unless you're saying Masai Ujiri was really still the GM even when Bobby Webster took over in 2017. Ujiri became President of Basketball Operations at that time. They won the championship in 2019. Also, a lot of people were aware of Nick Nurse's qualifications, especially the Rockets, since he was in the NBA in the Rockets'/Vipers' organization (and even before that, people knew of him) - it doesn't take away from the fact he was still a "rookie" as you call it in this league. As for the ownership... I have no idea who is the owner in that giant group. They are a company unto themselves that owns several sports teams. I usually separate owners from the organization since they basically just write checks, and in most cases, stay out of the way. I don't think that company is telling the Raptors' management how to draft, trade, etc. They're more just the bank account for the organization. Experience is good, but experience running inexperienced kids hasn't necessarily proven to be successful in the history of the NBA. Like I said, Lionel Hollins coached and played for decades in this league (he was a Rocket back in the 80's), John Lucas has been around for decades as a player, head coach, and assistant since the Rockets drafted him in the 70's, etc. Stone has been working on contracts and behind the scenes since before Morey was here and worked with him while he was here. Apparently their experience doesn't mean anything even though they've had more experience than the ownership of the Raptors? This team does not lack experience at the coaching level for sure. You can argue they aren't good coaches, and I'll accept your opinion, but to say we are led by an inexperienced bunch... I don't know if that's true. It's amazing what a great talent or talents combined with luck on a team can do to make their coaches and organization look that much better. I mean, Toronto still has the same ownership, same GM, same Ujiri, same coach, etc. on that team. They're currently in the lottery.
