University Instructor Fired for Showing Islamic Art

Agreed, as far as Islamic scholars… I am sure there are some, not everyone that is a follower of Islam is as repressive, but I doubt that any of these scholars are followers of the more mainline Islam practiced today.

Unfortunately moderation and free thought is something that is actively taught against in the majority of Muslim communities. There are Christians that are similar but not in the same numbers in 2023.

 

What does this have to do with Islam here? Sounds like the university officials are the ones that need to be fired. Yes the religion and has its flaws, Probablt more so than other religions I agree but anytime the woke crowd does something like this it turns into OMG Islam bad!!!

let’s not use a straw man,..i agree yes a lot of religions have absurd statements we don’t object to and have people fired etc for etc this should be no different . The academic institution needs to develop a spine nothing more.

had this been a pornographic or disrespectful image May make sense but should be held to the same standard other religions are (ex: picture of Jesus or Mary doing the same)

 

It doesn't matter why it was done. If it had been done because someone thinks Islam sucks (it does), then that should be the person's prerogative. There is so much anti-Christian propaganda from the Left, but if someone does even the slightest thing to annoy the followers of the most intolerant religion on earth, the pitchforks come out.

 

They are all horrible, but Islam is especially poorly constructed and full of crap.

DD

 

What does this have to do with "woke crowd".

These were Muslim students that wanted him fired.

 

Certainly a person has the right to think Islam sucks. That doesn't serve an academic cause and is frequently the kind of injection of opinion by a teacher that those who decry "wokeness" object too. For example if they deliberately put something in to say that Islam is great would that be acceptable?

The problem I see is that this wasn't meant to be insulting, or praising of Islam, but teaching factual information that the teacher had property warned students might be upsetting to some. IN that sense I'm not sure what else the teacher could've done and still maintained academic integrity.

 

What does this have to do with Islam? What other mainline faith would believe that in a secular society, in a university setting, that seeing the image of a historical figure (being portrayed as a historical figure) would be worthy of complaint and claims of Islamophobia? This is also the same faith where a large number of followers believed in the murder of a cartoonist.

As currently constructed, in 2023; Islam is not compatible with free expression or even enlightenment or learning. That may change in the future, but as of right now it is not a positive.

Also, when it comes to Islam I have heard many conservatives claim that liberals and special interest groups like feminists are overly easy on the religion and does not hold it to the same standard as other faiths.

As far as the "woke crowd", I don't think it is even a very large crowd, I think it is a very loud and persistent crowd. Colleges and institutions are afraid of being destroyed or portrayed as racist or insensitive - so they throw a sacrificial lamb to slaughter.

Also, two things can be true at once. A college administration can be cowards, and a faith can have a high number of very restrictive and counter productive belief systems.

 

GOOD ****!

 

A college professor, and certainly not a teacher in an art or historical class has ZERO reason or right to say "Islam sucks" and if they did say so, should be reprimanded. However, I don't think that was the case here.

The problem with all of this in part accentuates the disconnect and issues with mainstream Islam and Western values and basic education at the college level.... It is why I said Ïslam sucks more than other religions (which have serious issues as well).

 

Ok why does Islam suck so much more than other religions?

@Nook @DaDakota

I have my issues with Islam, but I don't see it as inherently worse than other religions, and it also depends on what version is being taught just like most religions it has been twisted and interpreted to fit who was or is in control.

 

I don't know if it's inherently worse. I think most of the differences can amount to socioeconomic differences. For example of the evangelical base in the US lived the same material conditions as Afghanis, they would be violent extremists also.

But I would say there is real concern with the fact that the most reveled prophet who is supposed to be the best representation of a Muslim for all of mankind to follow, Muhammad, was a sex addict warlord. Not the best figure to mimic.

 

Islam is inherently worse than other religions. Its founder was a pedophile warlord.

But that's not even the issue in this thread. The university administrators should be fired.

 

Inherently worse? It is worse as to how it is being actively practiced and that extends even into more mainstream versions of Islam. It is taught from a more fundamentalist perspective than other faiths. It actively discourages its believers to question and it relies on extreme peer pressure from other followers to enforce its claimed values.

We can argue that Islam or any other faith isn't oppressive if we ignore parts of the traditional teachings of parts of the faith - however in a lot of cases, Islam as practiced does not do that and has not done that. Also, there are some very severe gender differentiation parts practiced in Islam that can be very destructive.

In many parts of the world, it is dangerous to be born Muslim and an atheist or suppport LGBTQ rights, feminism etc.

I am an atheist at this point FWIW... and have been critical of many other faiths but also am not someone that believes that religion is the root of all evil. It can be a positive for some people in some cases, and I do believe that some people are wired to believe in God. However, I will also say that modern Islam is an incredibly oppressive religion too often and isn't compatible with many areas of the West. That doesn't mean that Muslims or people from Muslim countries shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to the USA or other areas - I think they should. I just believe that the USA should also offer asylum to those that are atheist or gay or in danger in some of these countries. There are more non religious people in these countries than many realize, but they cannot express it unless they want to be thrown off a wall.

 

Fair. Not the same thing… but

It ain’t the Muslims going after US libraries…

Ain’t the Muslims moving to limit what public school teachers can says about teh gays…

Ain’t the Muslims trying to enact a religious Jim Crow….

Here in Austin, TX…. It ain’t the Muslims I’m worried about….

 

I don't disagree with any of this, key parts being how it's actively practiced, I am I guess agnostic but I believe if you could get the misogyny and zealotry out of Islam I think it has the most positive teachings and can be very inclusive.

 

I agree with this, but if the Muslims were in charge of the country you probably would be very worried about those things and more if you were a woman.

 

Also another instance of a private school doing what it wants to do.

 

Very true.

Although I think many women are currently worried with misogyny with Christian nationalism rising….. Islam is still part of the Abrahamic religions and they share traits.