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It won't make the team much better, but Silas should resign

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SamFisher, Jan 8, 2023.

  1. Corrosion

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    I think we do know already - it's the players that are the problem.

    You look at Silas offense, it generates the 4th best shot profile chart in the entire league - behind Milwaukee, Golden State & Boston.. These clowns screw up a wet dream.
    You see other times where guys are wide open & passes don't come, instead it's dribble dribble .... the offense generates those opportunities. The players fail to cash in on them.
    Then you see they are the worst shooting team in the league .... yet the shot chart is top 4. These kids can't shoot.

    This is the nature of a youth movement in a league where players come in at 18/19 and are under developed in the fundamentals of the game .... Jalen couldn't run a freaking pick and roll last year. You learn that crap in middle school .... unless you are an athletic freak like most of these prospects who are that much better than everyone else as athletes.

    Now why they keep with the KPJ experiment or don't run the offense thru Alpi more, I cannot answer.
     
  2. Roomba

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    You're right in that Jalen and Jabari have pretty clear-cut flaws, but I also think having obvious weaknesses may lead to it being easier to correct (or at least build around those weaknesses). I also think that we don't have a Luka/Morant/Zion type talent to build around, but those players come around once in a blue moon and like you said, if we actually get one of those guys--the team will look pretty dang good.

    Out of our guys I think Jalen has the most potential; I think it is entirely possible that he becomes a Devin Booker-equivalent type player. But Devin Booker is not winning you a championship by himself, All-NBA or no.

    Maybe we'll find our Olajuwon soon. Or maybe a Harden will fall into our laps via trade again. Or maybe we'll be searching for the next decade.

    I hope the basketball Gods are kind, for I have sacrificed a lamb in their honor on the eve of the Winter Solstice
     
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  3. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    well we can't possibly get worse by replacing Silas. so what's the downside?
     
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  4. SamFisher

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    I try not to eat a ton of red meat these days but i had a boneless leg of lamb for Christmas - really good, season it the night before, really easy, oven roast it low & slow, and after ... Leftovers for days and days.
     
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  5. pmac

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    And, why would team management want to admit they missed in the draft? :D

    There's really only 2 futures for this team either we a) keep drafting until we land a star or we b) start using all our cap space to sign non star vets that will win more games but not be close to championship caliber.

    I think future (a), while obviously more painful, is the only path to future title contention.

    Looking at this team, I actually think there's a legitimate chance we keep the 2024 pick like we did in 2021. We're that bad, even if we draft well this year.

    The downside is we get marginally better. Not enough to be meaningful in the long run, just enough to miss out on some of the top tier talent in the draft.

    I'm not against dumping Silas. It's just not going to mean much if we don't have any great players. You could bring in Spo to coach these guys but it doesn't mean anything if they can't hit an open shot or finish a layup.
     
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  6. cml750

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    Damage his reputation? It is hard to damage it any more than he already has. This will be his only time as a head coach in the NBA. Maybe a college team could hire him but I doubt it. He will be a career assistant after this season.
     
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    Yep, this is exactly right. When they decide to move off the KPJ at PG experiment and put in a competent PG things will look much better. We will still need to give our young guys time to develop their games, but the offensive flow should be better for everyone. Also they should bring in some good vets to teach these guys how to play.
     
  8. RocketsFido

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    People expecting Silas to quit or Tilman to fire him.. It's NEVER going to happen. Silas will keep collecting them checks and Tilman is too cheap to pay another coach.

    Also, coaches that resign midway through the season either are butting heads with the star player or they are a vet coach who already has a lot of money to burn at home. D'antoni for example is a notorious quitter and he has made enough money to pick and choose.

    If you were paid life-changing money to suck would you do it? Anyone here would. All you gotta do is stay off social media. The NBA media doesn't seem to roast Silas on the daily nor do our players.
     
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    hilarious that people still dont get this. Its a match made in heaven

    Cheapest owner and cheapest coach
     
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  10. groovemachine

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    He’ll be moving on after 42 more games. He has zero incentive to resign in the meantime, why would he give up all the money he’s owed?
     
  11. SamFisher

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    I agree, financially it makes sense (apparently) but - is it worth 3 months of torment? Also what if things get really bad - teammates fighting each other etc. These are all exciting possibilities for the remainder of another lost season

    Ultimately it should be Stonetitta that makes the move but obviously that puts the onus back on the personnel decisions which don't look great now
     
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  12. Rokman

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    Outside of Rudy T no coach has lasted longer than 4 years with the Rockets and some of those Coaches are Hall Of Fame level coaches (Adelman and D'Antoni). Silas is the worst coach the Rockets have ever rolled out, his time after this year is done. Silas haters you may now rejoice.
     
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    Well, not so fast, other teams will see the success he is with regard to tanking and if they commit to that you may see Silas getting the nod . . . . And the wink.
     
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  14. AroundTheWorld

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    I agree with SamFisher on this one.

    Time to go.
     
  15. Corrosion

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    Sure, we could get worse.

    Look at the offensive numbers, shot charts, open shots generated & shooting percentages. The problem isn't the coach or the system, it's the kids who can't execute the gameplan.

    They can tell you the gameplan, they just can't execute it.
     
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    I hate to admit it; thought Sam was just having a bad day/week/month/season - but sure looks like he's seeing the picture fairly clearly.
     
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    What makes you think these are mutually exclusive? If a coach cannot get the players to execute...it's back on the coach.

    You can have players who suck AND a coach who sucks.

    We have both.

    KPJ and Silas.
     
  18. Corrosion

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    You can lead a horse to water, you cannot make him drink.

    I don't think you guys realize just how raw and unprepared these kids are for life in the NBA.

    Just think about what you saw from Jalen Green early last year, he was statistically the worst player in the entire association. He couldn't execute a simple pick and roll which is something many of us learned in middle school.
    Still today, they (he and KPJ) miss easy reads that are would be layups and open 3's .... even if Jabari is gonna brick that 3.

    It's going to take a little longer to get these kids where they need to be .... but progress is being made & Silas level headedness helps them mentally.

    Have a little patience. <insert its happening gif here>
     
  19. AroundTheWorld

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    Yes, but that's all precisely what coaching is meant to be for. I guess the point people are making is that with a different coach(ing staff), progress could/should have been faster.
     
  20. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    fair, but I would argue that its the coach's job to teach them to execute it, hold them accountable, and simplify if needed.

    there are college teams with more structure and more complexity of sets using younger players and better execution. the idea that 20-22 year olds just can't execute doesn't explain why college basketball can be so organized with many of the blue blood programs running nba sets.

    maybe Silas is a good coach for a veteran team who already know how to win in the nba and have the experience to play a read and react offense. but that's not working with these kids. he needs to meet them where they are and add more structure and set plays. he hasn't done that yet and there are other coaches who can provide what this team needs.

    not related really to the kids ability to execute the offense... but I've just lost faith in Silas' decision making as a coach. starting Fernando over sengun, running plays for gordon to close out close games over jalen, and on and on I could go... but he's consistently prioritized win now decisions over developmental decisions, and then wonders why the team hasn't improved in 3 years. overall we need someone who will try to develop these kids rather than try to rely on vets to win games.
     
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