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The state of the republican party

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  1. astros123

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    This sort of stuff is such utter bullshit. The reason why a small number of leaders decide what to bring to the floor is because you need a MAJORITY of folks to pass a bill. Alot of clueless hacks like AOC and Matt gaetz want this to change so they can bring messaging bills to the floor to help fundraise. Gaetz wants to bring a nationwide abortion ban to the floor and aoc wants to bring Medicare for all to the floor. Neither have a chance in hell to pass and both will backfire to hurt to the party. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

    Again the reason Obama was a failure and why markets were disrupted was because Obama gave Republicans an opening and said changes should be made. Biden has made it very clear they will negotiate the debt ceiling under any circumstances and it will be raised one way or another.

    This chamber of commerce backed Supreme court is NEVER going to let the government default on its debt and destroy the economy. You people need to lay off the conspiracies. The treasury will raise the debt ceiling without congress and the Supreme Court will uphold it.

    They aren't not appropriating additional money that wasn't allocated already. The debt ceiling is a scam and will be irrelevant after this year.
     
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    What the eff are you talking about? Biden introduced a global minimum tax which stops tax chests from operating in eastern Europe and in Asia. Thats the definition of progrsssive tax policy. Lina khan who's a 32 yr old college grad is running the ftc (most powerful regulstor in the world) is more progressive than the EU anti trust by a mile. They've just sued meta, amazon, Microsoft and on path to sue ticketmaster and getting ready to sue Apple. The NLRB which overseas unions in America has passed more progressive rule changes than exist anywhere in Europe. We currently have the most progressive regulators in the world. Rohit Chopra at the FCC is 10000x more progressive than the clowns in Europe.

    Lefties on this site and in general need to stop being so nihilistic and get their head out of their ass. All they do is whine and complain when in reality the nation is steering leftward which is good for their agenda.
     
  3. Major

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    It's not the specifics of the agenda - it's the idea that 4 or 5 people should operate the House however they want to and make the country completely ungovernable. One problem with the GOP crazies is their actual demands; the other is that they contribute to making the House a dysfunctional organization that can't actually do things when needed.
     
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    You are missing the point - that process will take months or years, depending on how it winds its way through the courts. That entire time, there is an added element of risk for anyone holding Treasuries, whether you think it's reasonable or not. Counterparties will need insurance for that risk, etc. The contagion effect of that would be catastropic. It will be an economic disaster *even if the USSC rules in Biden's favor*.
     
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    My guess is any such lawsuit would be heard in a very expedited basis. It will still do a lot of harm though to the US economy.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    You know why you bring Medicare for All to the floor?

    So we can see who votes yes/no on it and then primary the opponents of it. That's why.

    Of course that requires wanting to help people more than save face or your job, which is a hard-stop for most careerists in DC.
     
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    You got me. America really is a socialist paradise.
     
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    Interesting to note Mccarthy didn't even win speakership with a real majority of 218.

    How is the one vote to oust the speaker work? Does it require a republican majority? Congress majority? Cause all I see Is just a politcal stunt for the extremist to beg for more donations.

    Gonna b a big time waster.
     
  9. astros123

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    Can you please tell me how many successful primaries justice dems were able to successfully pull off in purple districts? Let me answer that for you. Z E R O. NONE. It's so funny how lefties are so utterly incapable of understanding the electorate system. If you think moderate voters in purple districts (the reps you need to flip for Medicare for all) are going primary their rep for not supporting Medicare for all shows how dumb the left is. The original build back better failed because of folks like Josh gottheimer and Joe manchin.

    This is why nobody likes lefties. You may have good policy positions have zero communication skills and the nihilism scares the **** away from normie folks. There's a reason bernie hasn't accomplished a damn thing in senate for 40 years. There's a reason he wasn't able to negotiate a better reconciliation bill last year with manchin/sinema. Progressives have ZERO governoring functionality and just want to whine and blow the system up.
     
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    Can you please tell me how this is germane to the subject? Whether JDems are able to win anything isn't relevant. What is relevant is that we've never had a vote on M4A, so until we do, we're not going to make any progress on it. As for M4A popularity, here you go.

    Lol. Wow. Sorry I hurt your feelings so bad, but I'm not really interested in changing the mind of someone who basically asserted that a new Ice Age is here because a cold front blew in yesterday. But hey, continue projecting all of your weird political-psyche stuff onto me if it helps you cope. I'm a nihilist leftie who believes in NOTHING!

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    Lol did he actually say that?

    Lol. That person needs a basic lesson in energy systems.

    Yes higher average global temperatures is just another way of saying our atmosphere has more energy. More energy means more violent systems pushing around air from different regions..... Like Siberian air blowing down to the Midwest. That usually doesn't happen.

    @astros123 ,did you say this?
     
  12. astros123

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    You're not getting my point. The way to govern and pass progressive policies is by lowering the temperature and not getting involved in culture wars. As much as an independent might agree with AOC health policy they'll never vote for her because of the culture wars. Bernie never was able to Crack the 35% threshold of the party because he literally called himself a democratic socialists. They have no idea how to govern efficiently.

    Biden has put Elizabeth Warren/bernie sanders alumni as his regulators everywhere in his government. Their in the ftc/fcc/nlrb/bank regulators,sec (ginsler is a bernie bro), etc. The GOP and mitch McConnell just voted for the largest increase for the NLRB in decades. The nlrb has processed more union applications last year than any point in 4 decades. The FTC anti trust agency just got the largest funding increase in a century. The progressive wings of the government have more funding today than ever before. Progressive policies are winning up and down everywhere and you don't even recognize it.

    If you want to pass big bold progressive policies it not by primarying everyone you don't agree with. It's by building relationships and by being liked by your colleagues. The reason why biden has been able to govern in a progressive manner is by keeping culture wars down and by being boring.
     
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    Culture wars
     
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    Pelosi never supported defunding the police or open borders that alot of lefties were pushing in 2020.....Pelosi never took any far left culture war positions.
     
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    That's because those are nonsense positions manufactured and amplified by right wing media that nobody outside of a few dozen non-voters on Twitter actually supported.
     
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    Huh? You think you can primary moderates in purple districts for Medicare for all while spewing this bs?
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    By the very nature of them having an actual policy position for a actual systemic issue makes it not a culture war. Doing half assed Kente dance to address the issue is what I consider culture wars.
     
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    Who cares? Pelosi isn't the president and she doesn't push policy. She successfully passed all of bidens legislation while keeping a 4 seat majority. People forget but she was able to pass the original the 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation with 4 seat majority.
     
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    You know what the solution to the epidemic of right wing fascists dominating law enforcement culture for people like Pelosi or Biden?


    Power Point Slide classes about community policing. Do you know how people in that culture treat power point slides about liberal ideas?

    They make meme inside jokes about them in the locker room or barracks in my case with my experience in Marine infantry in a similar right wing culture who had to sit in classrooms observing fellow grunts make fun of LGBTQ acceptance power point slides.
     
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    No, she's the embodiment of the establishment wing of the party and they are far more knee deep in culture war bs. They think they solve problems by having a diverse cabinet staff rather than actual hard policy implementation that effects people on the ground.
     

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