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Chapter 4: The Green Revolution

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Oct 16, 2022.

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How many wins will Jalen lead us to?

  1. 20-29 wins

    125 vote(s)
    59.5%
  2. 30-39 wins

    61 vote(s)
    29.0%
  3. 40-49 wins

    11 vote(s)
    5.2%
  4. 50-59 wins

    13 vote(s)
    6.2%
  1. apollo33

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    Mediocre draft class at best it seems
     
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  2. CantStopJG24

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    Doesn’t Hollinger know that Jalen’s numbers are better than Kobe’s and all the other hall of fame guards at the same age?:rolleyes:
     
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  3. MystikArkitect

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    They're still sophomores. Jalen looks like he's regressing at the moment. This team absolutely needs to get KPj off this team and replace him with someone that will put Green in the right place and hold him accountable. We are essentially punting his development entirely. Jabari I'm not worried about developing but I can see him wanting out of here when his rookie deal expires. And someone will absolutely throw the max at him with what he can do.

    We go on and on about Silas but Stone has also been an absolute trainwreck outside of the draft where he basically walked into Green and Jabari.
     
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  4. xaos

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    As down as people are on Green right now, he's putting up almost identical stats as Anthony Edwards did last season (age 20/2nd year). Green has a lot of room for improvement, but if he just improved his 3 point % by a little I think it would make the growing stages feel a little less painful for some. That's not to imply that's all he needs to work on at all, btw. The fact that he's not a great threat from 3 point and still gets to the free throw line often is actually pretty impressive and is saving him a ton.

    Green this year vs Edwards last year
    https://stathead.com/tiny/coque
     
  5. tehG l i d e

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    Jalen has one speed when driving to the rim and it’s very predictable and easy to force him into a tough shot since he also shies away from contact. The end of last season, he was using change of pace more to throw off defenders. Beginning of this season he was taking the contact on to draw fouls. Now it seems he’s regressed to his natural bad habits. It looks doubly bad when he’s clanking his 3 point shot too. He’s starting to mirror Jr Smith and Dion Waiters with the awful off balance attempts. Coaching for him the next couple seasons will determine a lot the type of player he will be. He shouldn’t settle for streaky microwave player off the bench with bad defensive instincts that many hyped prospects end up being.
     
  6. zeeshan2

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    I just think Mobley is who he is; he won't ever be a franchise changing player but he's a good secondary player. I would never want to build around him
     
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    Lol what? Mobley wasn't even in the league yet. Is this a trigger post meant to trigger?

    Mobley never even had a season with as many assists per game as 20 year old Green. You know this is an absurd take.
     
  8. CantStopJG24

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    He’s talking about Evan Mobley dude
     
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    ( I couldn't find the Chronicle cover with both of them in white)
     
  11. bmelo

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    The reason Jordan was Jordan is great coaching while in College. Same reason let's say Tmac was cooked by age of 28. Green is like the latter, all the physical tools but no game to fall into without it. All his baskets are tough. He has no easy baskets. That's why Silas can't stay, just by using Sengun as a hub you can learn off ball game and score easy baskets
     
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    That's the part about development n growth, had the Lakers taken Kobe first two seasons as what he would be they would have shipped him back to Charlotte for Divac

    But year 4 Kobe they wouldn't trade for nothing in the world besides a prime Wilt/Jordan/Dream/Bron
     
  14. Losmi_34

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    I still believe that Jalen will be an allstar and one of, if not the best SG in the league in his prime.

    He's way too inconsistent right now, and is playing on a cluster***k of a team that hinders his biggest advantages at this stage. And I understand that most of the fans are down on him right now. But he's far from a bust, or a finished product.

    He's not just an athlete, he has the skills, and is improving on his percieved pre draft weaknesses at a better rate then anticipated. I know that the percentages right now are ass, and that he's hit a wall (his ft % is at least 10% down from his regular % in the last 5-10 games), but I believe that he would look much, much better with an actual structured system and coaching around him.

    His biggest strength right now is his speed and off ball movement, and We don't use it at all. I find it hard to believe that We have an actual high post playmaker and We don't implement any backdoor cuts and get guys moving. I also can't remember the last time We had Jalen with the ball and actually used a high screen and roll to give him space to turn on the jets and attack the middle. We could create so much space and develop his drive and kick game, but instead We let him stand in the corner or give him the ball and let him try 2K shots and one-on -three drives.

    And lastly, the substitution patterns We use are mind boggling. This season, Jalen is more often than not amazing in the 3rd, scoring 15+ pts with ease. We sit him near the end of the quarter, and then in the fourth, instead of getting him in the game at around 7:30 mark at the latest, We cool him down and get him in the game with 5 or less minutes remaining, and mess up his rhytm.

    Long story short, yes he's been underwhelming lately, but the coaching and strategy sure as hell isn't making him look any better.
     
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    Somebody refers to Evan, immediately brings up Cuttino.

    Your subconscious has betrayed you!

    Also Jalen is more of a Francis.
     
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    What? When someone says Jalen is someone like Mobley I'm assuming level and archetype. Because Evan and Jalen are two entirely different types of players.
     
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    They're referencing the article above of the 2021 draft picks and their standing right now which is why the poster brought up Evan Mobley because he's in the same category as Jalen as underwhelming per Hollinger.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    Okay so basically this guy just box score war he's. Green has done multiple euro steps and looked rather effortless doing them.
     
  19. CantStopJG24

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    I mean he's not that wrong. He needs to change his pace. How many times have we seen him just straight line rim run to the basket and throw up a left handed underhanded layup that gets blocked? I'm not too worried about it because that comes with time, experience and training. But it happens pretty often.
     
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    How many times? The same as any other young 20 year old guard. Green has a above average ftr and is like 65% at the rim which is more than most young guards.

    He also has shown plenty of times hitting the breaks and changing pace once getting into the paint area even using his back to shield defenders. Anyone who watches games consistently with the Rockers sees this with Green. It's an absurd take people assume because they hear Green is an elite speed demon. No he varies his pace now once he gets into the paint area and does more than just straight line now. He's shown multiple high level very fluid eurosteps. The fact that he like only has like one charge call against him this season says that he just doesn't bum rush into the paint or else he would be getting a lot more charge calls as that's what you do with guys who beat perimeter and just straight line rush to the rim in a predictable straight line.

    Green's problem now isn't attempts at the rim. It's his jump shot accuracy and selection.
     
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