KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Maybe we should track time of possession and whether a good shot is the result.....and ignore whether it is an assist or a show by the player.

That would show effectiveness, right.

A good shot is the desired result, doesn't matter if it is the dribbler or the catch and shoot guy, just a good shot.

DD

 

That is so accurate. I just watched the Lowe podcast and they were talking about the challenges of winning with jokic in the playoffs. They struggle to defend bc of him. Jokic has a lot more size and a jumper, and it’s still hard!

 

And 98% of his posts are KPJ related lol

 

LOL

Once again @fchowd0311 is loud and wrong, and he double dared you to do it.

 

Those ratios help your point?

Really?

 

I'm just curious how those ratios help the case that KPJ is not a ball dominate inefficient pg.

 

So now you are against ball dominant inefficient guards....I've got bad news about your favorite player then.

 

The way you wrote it sounded like you were implying he was a huge negative outlier. Like significantly worse than all his peers. He wasn't even the lowest player on the list. If you were trying to make the point that he had numbers very close to Luka and Ja, that certainly wasn't clear. You even wrote the following -

How can 1.70 be an indictment of poor PG play when Luka is at 1.69? Surely you don't think Luka is a bad point guard.

 

He's literally tied with the most ball dominant player in NbA history.


You understand the concept of "opportunity cost"? Their isn't a opportunity cost of Doncic dominating the ball. Because along with the potential assists he generates with his time of possession he also is finding time to score 35 ppg on 63% ts...

Being tied with Luka is absolutely horrible. Luka and KPJ are outliers in this regard but one of them is a historic all time scorer.

 

Okay thats fine, then write that. You can't fault me for not reading your mind. You said anyone who has Kevin Porter numbers is bad, so I pointed out great players who share his numbers. Now you're saying that's actually a fine number so long as you're a great scorer like Ja or Luka. That's a more reasonable take. But you can't expect people to assume that you mean things that you haven't written.

 

Tied in a metric that you made up on the fly that doesn't actually say anything of value about what is happening on the court.

Also, what opportunity cost are you talking about? Is there a more efficient guard on the team that you'd rather have handling the ball?

 

I don't want anyone to handle the ball more. I want an offense where our pg doesn't only pass off when he thinks his pass is directly going to lead to an assist. I want a pg willing to be merely an imitator sometimes that starts a chain of passes in a set offense.

KPJ wants to either score or be directly responsible for an assist. In a less heliocentric system, KPJ can reposition and also be a recipient of a clean look also after chain of quick passes.

 

Well, then you are going to absolutely hate the future of the NBA, because the old school traditional PG is headed for the tar pits.

Even worse, your favorite player is hoping to eventually develop into EXACTLY the style of player KPJ is.

 

Not everybody needs to develop into a combo guard to do well in the league. Booby and dd acting like it's the Rockets master plan to develop green into a combo guard alongside kpj to ignore how awful kpj has been at it.

We just need a passing guard who can actually control the offense or a vet like harden and everybody including kpj will b better for it.

Kpj pg development is hindering the development of everybody else. Simply blaming the youngsters for missing is ignoring how awful kpj has been at playmaking.

 

I had a draft party with family watching the NFL draft (with I think Ben Rothlesburg) and Mel Kiper
said he loved the pick, if you give him a good offensive line, good receivers and a good running
back he can win.

I looked at a family member who was sitting across the room and we both said the same,
"That's with any quarterback!!"

So those telling me that Embiid, Jokic, KAT need good players around them to win
the championship......I say that's true with every player. Even KPj

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Sixers were 4th in the East last playoff....I said they wouldn't get past the second round.
I was right. My receipt is here on CF's

Sixers were 1st in the Ast the previous year....lost 2nd round to Miami.


I did not hear that podcast but I don't want to hear excuses this year if Jokic goes
down in the first or second round.

Usually teams in the playoffs take out #1 option and #2 option....and say
prove it that your 3rd option can beat us in a 5 or 7 games series.

My guess is the Warriors let Jokic go one on one, mixed it up defensively, and
kept option #2 and #3 in check. Teams will do the same this year.
Let Jokic go for 50 points off predominantly working hard for two point
baskets and limiting 3's; while the small ball team has five 3-pt shooters
exploiting Jokic on the perimeter of using drop coverage defense.

It's about giving up a ton of 2-pt baskets to Denver vs the other team
exploiting Jokic and nailing more 3's.

3's vs 2's. Try not to foul Jokic and give him "And-one's"

 

I'm sure the plan is for him to remain a ball dominant inefficient traditional shooting guard. That's definitely the path to superstardom.

 

He is more of a pure SG but Green already showed off flashes of combo guard-ism.

 

"Passing is overrated" Is probably one of the dumbest things ive ever seen on this board and thats saying a lot and im not trying to attack you but holy **** my guy. You gotta know how dumb that sounds. KPJ does not have the potential to build an offense around, he doesn thave the decision making or the the passing vision or skill. He is a good player dont get me wrong and when he gets older he may be a great role player may be even 6th man. He was never ever billed as the next big thing and in his time in the last 4 years other than a game or 2 he has shown rare flashes of greatness. It was always silly to build the offense on him instead of focusing on a higher potentialed person. I dont even know now if we were to get a star in the draft and that star played his position would the Rockets move him to a different position? I doubt it! and that concerns me. They are high him very high too high and thats what worries most of us.

 

Wrong....
CP3 is a great passer. Zero championships.
John Stockton was a great passer. Zero championships
Jokic is a great passer. Zero championships
Pistol Pete Maravich was a great passer. Zero championships.

Morey was always chasing 3 stars....reason being is because stars draw defensive
attention which leaves someone wide open.

Three stars win championships.....if the Warriors didn't have 3 stars last season, they
had enough horses in Curry, Wiggins, Poole, Klay.

I don't see KPj as the number 1 option in our drive for a championship; but I do
see him as the 3rd dog. Jalen Green is either #1 or #2.

I projected Green getting 25 points this year and I think he gets it as our
schedule gets easier up until the All Star Break. Next year he goes for
30 pts per game.

I have KPj with 20 pts...5.5 rebs...7.8 Ast (he finished 6.3 last season)
If jokers would make their shots KPj would have more assists per game.
Takes two to tango and two to get an assist.

If Harden came back he would move to #1 option. Never know what's in the cards.

If you have Harden going for 30 pts, Green for 28 pts and KPj for 21pts next season...
we would be championship bound.....I don't care what your opinion is. You and Sengun
can exit stage right.

 

and who would play defense? Championship bound was pretty funny though